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(Yesterday's Discussion.)
Dollar Bill (7/3/05; 23:48:33MT - usagold.com msg#: 133755)
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Jefferson must have been on pot when he said this.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism".
Risking your life in the defence of freedom is.
Which judge threw the emminent domain case? Stevens?
When my wife, for gods sake, is upset about a supreme court ruling, and how did she even find out about it, then I suspect a fix. I am going to make a bizarre claim. I think Stevens - purposely led- his fellow judges off a judicial cliff. He is steering future supreme court choices from the bench. He thinks the living constitution is heading too far out, and leads a charge right off the constitutional map that is sure to inflame Americans.
You heard that here first I assure you!
Dollar Bill (7/3/05; 23:34:33MT - usagold.com msg#: 133754)
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Goldilox, my dirty little secret, is that I am registered democrat. I am into local economy, the type of results that occur when loans are not only lifeblood, worker rights that dont leave us all as "associates" in the nwo,
uninsured and part time employees after the coming recession, free of govt overstepping and you know what?
I now suspect that one supreme court justice -threw- the vote on emminent domain. Hows about that for a conspiracy theory? One justice wanted to inflame the situation to get a -rationale- for a -conservative- jurist on next. Whatever -conservative might really mean I dont know frankly.
Because, the decision is just so bad! It dont make sense.
The thing that throws folks that read me, is this nwo stuff.
I just cannot make sense of many things unless there is a nwo fix in amongst the most important players.
Where I am taking action, is that the nwo, and surprise in one sense, the leftists, are joined in a bizarre alliance to teach religion to kids.
One wants the new global citizen, the other wants the religious involvement of humans destroyed.
Or, made into some -soothing image toothless niceity-.
Since they dont think there is a god, the idea of a devil factor is just way off the radar screen.
We can all just discover how perfect we are when we leave behind the -programming-.
George Bushes father, is definately a nwo guy, and he has helped the teaching of religion effort.
GB1 claims to be religious, so, his nwo intentions must either, be completely clueless as to the actual results of teaching religion by the govt, OR, these nwo guys dont care what old things must be damaged in whatever way in order for the nwo to come about.
Loss of industry? no problem.
Loss of soveriegnty? no problem.
Loss of sane money? no problem.
Loss of freedoms of parental rights? no problem.
Loss of local economy around the globe? no problem.
Loss of nature, creatures, resources? no problem.
This stuff and more.
I try to look to see the possible pluses of the nwo in order to know if there are some that warrent all this loss.
Maybe because there is no other way to have fiat continue?
No way to improve the maximum lives otherwise?
I dont know.
I am trying to see.
But, this parental rights stuff, this I oppose. Actively.
Sundeck (7/3/05; 23:28:31MT - usagold.com msg#: 133753)
Marc Faber interview
Thanks Goldilox,
I just listened to Puplava's interview with Faber... It is wide-ranging and informative. Blessedly free from concrete wild predictions, but many options presented nonetheless.
Congratulations to Puplava for yet again another gem...
:-)
Goldilox (7/3/05; 22:51:32MT - usagold.com msg#: 133752)
Clarification
$ Bill,
Re-reading your post, I suspect we agree on more than I might have thought before that post.
Perhaps we more often disagree on the roles of some of the protagonists.
Goldilox (7/3/05; 22:47:09MT - usagold.com msg#: 133751)
Mea Culpa
$ Bill,
My post was meant to express my ideas and observations, as well as to extract a few of yours -not to "project" on you. I only perceive what I read in your posts, flawed as that perception might be.
Please don't expect that my more general observations are meant to apply to you personally, and don't allow any misperception to block continued conversation.
I certainly don't expect we will agree on everything (although we probably don't disagree on everything), but I mean to honor your efforts at discourse.
My apologies, and happy 4th.
-G
Dollar Bill (7/3/05; 22:39:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 133750)
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open forum extends through July 4.
Topaz, is there reality or not. The level of invasion into my kids head by the govt may really surprise you.
In each and every year of schooling, they come at the religion teaching via, humanities, english, science, history, current issues, I am constantly dealing with the 2 youngest boys 13 and 15, and the programming of the school curriculum, which comes from the accursed NEA of the US govt. The idea that there is some way to just present religion is fantasy.
One of the rationals is "oh, the school is the marketplace of ideas." NO, in economic terms, it is a monopoly. What marketplace? There is one teacher, and many students. That is NOT a room full of equals. Even if the teacher says a sentence that on reading it printed, looks fine, but it is how that sentence is said! Actors say the same sentence 10 different ways for acting practice, and there are many ways a teacher can steer opinions of kids.
In fact, on the nea website, they dont even try to hide thier intent to break kids away from the thinking of thier parents.
You may say, well, is that so bad, and I say oh yes it is!
I can make long and lengthy case on how it is.
Topaz, I ask you to consider, I say, the problem is not that parents cause problems by raising thier kids free from govt religious interaction.
The problems all come from an involvement of govts and religion.
But, by saying that, to be really honest about the problem, it is bigger, due to enlightenment crap, there is all this stuff that IS religion, yet claims it is not.
THAT has to go also.
The govt may not be involved in OPINION about life.
The govt is the field of ACTION. Not opinion.
I should probably enlarge on that, and can, and frankly will have to in my court case, but, I say, review history, it is when the govts, the structure of govts of the world, who dont recognise the extent of parental rights, dont recognise that in order to have freedom of religion, the govt must not be involved in opinion on views of life, and the govt may not teach religion, or opinion on views of life.
They may not IF, what you are after, if freedom of religion. They may not IF, what you rae after is parental rights.
What am I missing here? Details yes, but fundamentally, I think this is the basics.
Anyone?
mikal (7/3/05; 22:22:35MT - usagold.com msg#: 133749)
"Growth" to be compromised by collateral damage?
http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Hayden_063005,00.html
H. Thomas Hayden: China Rising While U.S. Distracted in Mideast - June 29, 2005
The main conclusion of this military expert is that conflict and conquest are inevitable but must nonetheless be resisted. It's like being told that, as always, "There will be a long battle and atrocious sacrifices. But that's life." Maybe bankers are playing both ends against the middle.
Dollar Bill (7/3/05; 22:13:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 133748)
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Topaz, Mas did fine work tonight with is posting.
Your granddaughter....... her parents, if they are in a free society, which they are not, would, in an ideal state, be free to choose the religious influences of thier child.
A goose flys by itself, it gets to travel x distance.
If the goose flys in a flock, it gets 78 percent farther than x.
Parents, if there is to be such a thing as parental rights and freedom of religion, must first and foremost have the right to carefully choose which flock they want to join to meet the needs of thier child and themselves as they see it.
AND, the flock they choose goes in the direction they choose, and helps them get there, like the goose, farther.
If the govt is teaching religion, then there is in fact, no freedom of religion and no parental rights.
Oh sure, some measure of it, but if the govt is teaching religion, you do not have parental rights or freedom of religion.
Your insight into life, and your trek to the center of OZ, are excellent and are in the realm of adult freedom of thought.
A child is not the goverments to sway. The govt, if it is actually the model of freedom of religion, which the US is not, and OZ is not either, MUST, first and foremost, not try to usurp parental rights to raise thier kids with the morality, religion, and character without the govt taking the education system to host whatever faction controls it, or individual teachers, to engage in the realm of opinion.
Goldilox, you project too much on me. I am an issue guy, not a party man. My issue, is exactly this. Freedom.
When tyrants threaten free societies, they must be handled.
War is not off the table of options. And war is not illigetimate. It is an option, and since evil is in this world, an option that will be required.
The bigger threat to freedom, is not terrorism. The biggest threat to freedom is govt invasion of parental rights and freedom of religion from govt.
More wars, not less, will come with the govt overstepping like it is in these areas.
Society will worsen, not better, with this overstepping.
OZians dont see it, English dont see it, Americans dont see it, the europeans dont see it, Like gold, private property rights, parental rights, separation of church and state, govt teaching religion, morality, character, legislating groundless freedoms to excess, all and probably more, constitute the ugly invasion of the tyranny of the powers that be. Or, theologically speaking, the devil factor, destroying what is good. While under the guise of enlightened action.
mikal (7/3/05; 21:28:31MT - usagold.com msg#: 133747)
Gun sales growing
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=ec520bb9a3886b73
Americans buying more guns, sales up 11%
- Big News Network - June 29, 2005
Short article that covers a small slice of the gun industry that includes imports and exports.
Sundeck (7/3/05; 20:07:42MT - usagold.com msg#: 133746)
Junk Bonds
Good one mas...junk bonds indeed...
There is a tendency amongst those managers who are brave with other people's money to pile into the junk bonds of companies that are seen "too be too big to fail", or who are perceived to be going through a "soft spot". It is hard to see US treasuries as anything other than junk with a capital "J" given the underlying debt levels... Not only is there little indication that the borrowing tendencies of "the company" are lessening, or that borrowings are leading to more productive capacity, but in the event of looming default, there is the additional threat of "monetisation"...i.e. "the company" having a licence to counterfeit it's way out of trouble...
Unfortunately, the US's attempt to increase its asset base by cheaply acquiring "rights" over oil-rich ME real-estate seem to have hit a "soft spot". In addition, I sense that Tony's love affair with the US seems to have cooled a tad (is it just me??) and he is now Hell-bent on salvaging some domestic reputation by "saving Africa"...perhaps before China gets there first. How deep, I wonder, does European colonial angst run in Africa? Was there ANY African state untouched by the colonial hand of the last two hundred years? Perhaps Tony's epiphany has political underpinnings...
Happy fourth of July to all U.S. Americans....
:-)
Buongiorno! (7/3/05; 18:30:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 133745)
America!
I wanna be there when the wrecking ball hits a Supreme's front door! What a great day! Agreed?
As for the other, do dissent--just try and keep yer wings level--too far to the left can be just as bad as the other way....Happy 4th!!
Buongiorno
Goldilox (7/3/05; 18:14:22MT - usagold.com msg#: 133744)
West Side Story
@ Bongiourno,
Just a minor correction. . .
The song lyrics are actually:
"I like to be in America,
OK by me in America
Everything free in America
For a small fee in America"
-G
Goldilox (7/3/05; 18:04:10MT - usagold.com msg#: 133743)
House vote on property rights
@ mikal,
I rather suspect that a lot of reps received correspondence from their constituencies suggesting that their beach homes were the next targets for eminent domain confiscation and development!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!
Goldilox (7/3/05; 17:55:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 133742)
Happy 4th weekend to all
@ Bongiourno,et al
My patriotic bones run as deep as any, so happy July 4th to everyone.
To not question injustice and political deceit is the most unAmerican thing I can imagine.
As Jefferson said, "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism".
This weekend I celebrate freedom, diversity, and the 1st amendment right to "call them as I see them" based on as much evidence as I can gather.
We didn't win this freedom without dissent and debate, and we will not be able keep it if we repress them now.
Happy Birthday, Americans!
Buongiorno! (7/3/05; 16:47:20MT - usagold.com msg#: 133741)
Oh beautiful, for spacious skies.....
Just heard Ray Charles' version of this song, and have "West Side Story" ,"I Wanna be in America" playing now. Just want all the America haters to know that it dosen't matter....we shall deal with our problems....and emerge, as we always have, ready to "march on."
And, by the way, if you get your *** in another crack, as you usually do, we shall come to the rescue, as we usually do. (I am speaking to America haters, foreign and domestic--we do not descriminate.) It is all ok....
And I would love to wish all America haters and America lovers--and those in the middle--a most happy and wonderful Fourth of July. My ribs have been rubbed, and my trusty Webbers stand ready--if the weather clears--got some great Chianti chilling--what a wonderful day to be alive! May God bless America.
Chin-chin....ting!
Buongiorno!
mikal (7/3/05; 15:51:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 133740)
First come, first served ideas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/30/AR2005063001082.html
House Votes To Undercut High Court On Property
- Washington Post staff writers
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Goldilox (7/3/05; 10:18:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 133738)
World Religion
@ Toapz,
From my perspective, I hope never to see such a thing as One-World religion, as "organized religions" seem to be the "political perversion" of something that much better reflects itself in personal spirituality. That's as dangerous as One-World government.
"Freedom of religion" is supposed to protect my right to dissent in religious matters as well as political matters. . . something very important to the ideals of personal freedom!
Goldilox (7/3/05; 10:12:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 133737)
Faber Interview
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm
For those interested, Mary Puplava has posted a note that yesterday's interview with Marc Faber will be transcribed and posted soon.
I highly recommend it if you prefer the written to the spoken word.
Goldilox (7/3/05; 10:07:18MT - usagold.com msg#: 133736)
Response
@ $ Bill,
Thanks for resonding, though I must admit, I'm both disappointed and encouraged by your response.
Encouraged by the fact that as a professed Christian, you still can see the obvious perversion by "highly political" pseudo-christians - at least the most blatant of them.
Discouraged by the fact you seem to miss the connection of the current admin to those phonies. Bush's family records go back to his grand-pappy Prescott, who, along with Henry Ford, was a BIG TIME Hitler supporter, right up to Pearl. His daddy's record of destruction of South American democracies and support for torture of dissidents in favor of US corporate takover of their resources is truly abysmal. (As for Ford, I still have a copy of his 1922 epic, "The International Jew - The World's Foremost Problem")
I also bear no admiration for the Clinton arm of the Demos, as I watched them sit quietly during the last election and then ignore the will of the party majority. At the last possible moment, they jumped right on the Bush bandwagon to subvert grass roots desire to remove the NeoCons and injected their own "Skull and Bones" SS-boy Kerry instead. OK, people, if you don't like Bush Jr, how about Bush Jr. Jr.?
As far as I can see there is a power struggle in Washington that amounts to the Drug-Arms cartel vs. the Oil-Arms cartel, and the loser is the American people. The winners are the Oil, Weapons, and Drug cartels who continually lower the standard of living for the American worker to reach some parity with their globalist partners - endangering any real freedom or democracy, and making billions in the shuffle. I cringe at the thought that the Weimar conditions leading to Hitler's rise are being repeated in the US of A.
You really only addressed my final thought. Can you comment on my assertion that these power groups are really one and the same, with the only serious struggle being "who gets to sit in the gilded chair when the flash bulbs go off"?
I have no quarrel with people who profess religion and keep it mostly between themselves and their "god as they understand him" to put it into AA terminology. But I will publicly resist those who feel that I must jump on their all too public bandwagon. Even Jesus supposedly said,
Matthew 6:5-8
5 And when ye pray, ye shall not be as the hypocrites: for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee"
Revolutionaries and idealists, be they religious, scientific, or social always suffer at the hands of the "made" elite, as revolutionary ideas threaten the very status quo that supports their "holier than thou" positions of authority.
CoBra(too) (7/3/05; 10:04:59MT - usagold.com msg#: 133735)
@ mas - One of the Privateer's best ever ...
He really wraps up the major eco-political fundamentals over-ruling any political desired outcomes from any unilateral side.
As it seems the global sole superpower status of the US is already more than challenged by closer relations of Sino/ Russian understanding as well as a blatantly absent EU. An absence, now highlighted by the US "butler", Tony B., presiding over this impasse!
The ME may have become more explosive since the last elections, resulting in a hardliner and possibly real terrorist as president - the German ex Molotow Coctail lover as secretary of state comes to mind as a mild cartoon what may happen in reality.
The impasse in Iraq, both financial as militarily, the impasse on the home front, where GWB's ratings are spelling LD - as in lame duck - and the potential of impeachment may drive the admin to extremes.
Notwithstanding, the financial mess in the US of A -whatever else may ameliorate the plight of the neo-"Cons" an attack on Iran - mind you by airpower - may still constitute a valve to release the pressure for a little while.
Will it? Or will it be the last incendiary bomb to set the ME and with it the rest of the world on fire, which may not be contained anymore?
Who knows - we're all hoping that there will be some sanity returning, even as the behaveioral responses of cornered predators are known - the last straw may be self-survival...
... And now we've learned about the great wisdom of GDP growth by debt; The Germans are again the pariah of the globe as they decided to save and therefor are to be crucified as the only G8 nation to stagnate...
Lovely - I feel Germany is just again to begin saving its seed corn for future productivity ... and I'll spare you the rest of my rant - in particular as Marc Faber has spelled it out clearly in a recent broadcast.
... I'll better quit here and just reiterate that Rome was somewhat messy in its drawnout collapse. I'll count on the US to deliver a much more efficient job ... cb2
Topaz (7/3/05; 06:54:33MT - usagold.com msg#: 133734)
@D-Bill.
...just home from G-Daughters dancing Concert, the joys of late middle age eh?
The US certainly throws up more than it's fair share of Evangilists ...ALL promising a quick fix for current real or imagined woes under the "it's better because it's NEW" motto.
Here in Oz the State(s) provide (some would say MORE than) generous support for Schooling that founds it's basis on Religion. We have all the orthodox Schools (CofE, Catholic, an assortment of "fringe" religions etc) ...with the "State Schools" totally non-sectarian.
Whilst we here (Forum) struggle with lets call it Terrestrial issues, in reality, FAITH motivates most of our thoughts. A large part of the reason we come here is our Faith in Gold ...we speculate as to the machinations of the various markets, ...occasionally a "guru" comes forth to provide clarity and reinforce our convictions but, when it all boils down, FAITH based on 5000yr's of history is the rock upon which our idology rests.
Faith also motivates our religious thought. From a young age we (a large percentage) are taught to accept the misteries of Life and beyond ...according to whatever creed we are exposed to ...and generally carry that faith throughout our lives.
Which is all well and good however,
past experience has shown that these various creeds can, have and are used to alienate different societies/groups/nations to the detriment of all but the few.
If this NWO Religious motivation of which you speak seeks to create a "one God fits all" type of future, I don't believe thats all bad.
The most both frivolous and rewarding thing I've ever done Bill was a five day drive into the centre of Oz to watch a 30 second total eclipse which drew me to the conclusion...
...there IS a God, but to name him-her-them-it and further to claim some form of exclusivity over same, given our very VERY limited scope of understanding, IMHO is delusional or at best naive.
mas (7/3/05; 06:39:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 133733)
Junk bonds, I like that.
So what's next? US of A, (meaning GWB and company), to attach Iran to cover it's mistakes?
SMELLING THE ROSES - AND IGNORING THE THORNS
On June 28, President Bush crashed and burned in Fort Bragg.
June 30 was the first anniversary of the end of 1.00% official interest rates in the US. On that day, the
FOMC duly raised official US interest rates by another 0.25%, the ninth such rate rise since June 30,
2004, to 3.25%. No one took much notice of that. What they did notice was the wording of the FOMC's
press release. The FOMC said that: "...even after this action, the stance of monetary policy remains
accommodative ...policy accommodation can be removed at a pace that is likely to be measured."
In short, there was no change from the wording used in the press releases which had accompanied
previous rate hikes. This led the US and global financial community to the conclusion that, contrary to
their previous assessment, the Fed was going to go on increasing rates. They were not going to stop, as
many on Wall Street and elsewhere thought they would.
The reaction to THIS was quite spectacular. On Friday, July 1, the US Dollar soared on the currency
markets. On the trade-weighted basis which is the $US index, it was up 1.02 points to a new 2005 high of
90.00. The US Dollar rose 1.24% against the Euro and 0.79% against the Yen. The rise was even more
spectacular against other currencies. Against the Aussie Dollar, for example, the US Dollar rose 1.45%.
Against the British Pound, it rose 1.37%. Oh, and against MONEY (Gold), the US Dollar rose 1.90%.
The Amazing One-Eyed Currency Markets:
The rationale (in this context - "justification") for this US Dollar leap was very instructive indeed.
Apparently, the main reason that the US Dollar is going up is that the prospect of HIGHER interest rates
in future is luring capital from all over the world to take advantage of the prospective higher yields on
offer. The first thing that this points out is the global hunger for yields. The second thing it points out is
that most of the world is now of the opinion that the only place left to find a viable return on capital
"invested" is in DEBT instruments and the "best" debt instrument" is the one which offers the HIGHEST
interest rate. There are still a few who pay lip service to "traditional" caveats by diffidently talking about
the status of the borrower and the ability to repay, but these are an endangered species in modern markets.
There was, and still is, a name for debt issues which pay yields which are notably higher than those paid
by the majority of debt issuers in a given market. These debt issues are called JUNK bonds. They are
called "junk" for the simple reason that the yields they offer ARE higher than the yields offered by most
of their competitors. Why are they higher? They are higher because the debt issuer is seen to be less
sound than the average, and that the risk to the capital is therefore higher than it would be if it was placed
in an instrument which pays a lower yield.
Way back in the distant past, in the days when debt was something which people took on cautiously and
repaid as fast as possible, a man named Bob Hope made a crack about banks: "A bank is a place that will
lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." As the saying goes - many a true word is spoken
in jest. Nowadays, the situation is that the more "in need" the borrower, the more people want to lend to
him or her. Why? Because they can obtain a higher "yield" by doing so.
There was a time when a loan was not a substitute for productive effort but a means to make such an
effort more productive. The borrowers most favoured by the lenders were the ones who could show the
best record in both real wealth creation and the honouring of past obligations. These were the "triple A"
or "gilt-edged" borrowers, the ones who paid the LOWEST interest rates on borrowed money. Back then,
the lower the interest rate, the higher the proven viability of the borrower. That applied on all levels,
from individual to sovereign state. Today, the entire process has been turned on its head.
mas (7/3/05; 06:35:29MT - usagold.com msg#: 133732)
As usual, another view....end of this year?
On The US Economic Front:
The Privateer's central task is to deal effectively with POLITICAL economy. This is the too often
ignored intersection between politics and economics. When events require it, The Privateer will swing
hard over to the political side. There is nothing more political than war - the ultimate act of politics.
War, in its own right, has a direct influence upon economics because war is always a drain upon any
economy. It is also a direct internal political threat to the Lives, Liberty and Property of individuals
living inside the nations which have gone to war. That is today the case inside the US economy.
A Global Warning:
The BIS (Bank for International Settlements) recently stated this: "Growing domestic and international
debt has created the conditions for global economic and financial crises." This warning was given on
Monday, June 27.
The BIS, the Central Banker to the world, is where monetary officials and Central Bankers from over 55
countries have just held their annual meeting to privately discuss financial and monetary risks to the
world economy and financial system. There were no nations directly named to be the cause of the BIS
warning about "global economic and financial crises". Everybody at the meeting knew that the nation in
question is the United States of America. The importance in the statement from the BIS lies in the geo-
economic fact that it gives the blue seal of international approval to any other nation or nations to divorce
themselves, monetarily, financially and economically from the US economy. The reason for that would
be to lessen the future damage to themselves when the global debt crisis does arrive. The centre-point of
this growing "global economic and financial crisis" is the massive US current account and trade deficits,
powered ahead by the even more massive US credit surge.
Two Things Stand Economically To The Fore:
In 2004, Americans were holding $US 37 TRILLION in debt - more than $US 123,000 for every man,
woman and child in the US. Last year, the US recorded an overall internal credit expansion of $US
2,718.6 Billion - 26 percent of its GDP. National saving was virtually zero. Were the US to decelerate its
current internal credit expansion back to zero, the US economy would contract by that 26 percent of GDP.
The saga continues. Over the week to June 13, the US broad money supply (M3) rose $US 16 Billion to
$US 9.70 TRILLION. Four-week gains were $US 80 Billion. Year to date M3 growth has accelerated to
5.1%. This is "money" created, through loans, out of thin air, with credit piled on top.
The (Still) Friendly Foreign Lenders:
For all of 2004, foreign investors acquired a record net $US 1.255 TRILLION of US financial assets. In
the first quarter of 2005, this figure fell to an annual rate of $US 1.170 TRILLION. In these numbers lie
the real financial danger to the US. If foreigners stop lending, the US economy would dive by about 11
percent of its current GDP, simply from the cessation of the inflow of funds. As of the end of March
2005, global foreign investors held the following respective percentages of the total of Treasuries,
Agencies, US corporate bonds and US equities: 43.0%, 13.2%, 27.3% and 13.4%.
Combined world holdings of Treasuries and Agencies were 25.8% of the total. US capital market assets
readily salable by foreigners totalled $US 6.668 TRILLION or 68.5% of total US financial assets held by
foreigners. As of the end of March 2005, foreign investors held a grand total of $US 9.723 TRILLION of
US financial assets. As of the end of March, all foreign financial liabilities to the US came to $US 4.634
TRILLION, resulting in a net foreign claim against the US of $US 5.089 TRILLION.
The GLOBAL breakdown will likely happen in the second half of this year. The Bush Administration
plans to borrow internationally an additional $US 900 Billion this year.
Dollar Bill (7/3/05; 03:16:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 133731)
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Pritcho, Goldilox, Topaz, I will prove Pritcho is right about the -lost cause- idea. First though, lets get unpleasantries out of the way. My sister and her kids live in Washington DC. Thier good freinds and neighbors, who I met, with thier 2 kids, were on the plane that went into the pentagon. The guy who approved the saudis to leave the country was not G. Bush, as falsely claimed by the 911 movie, it was that left over terrorism chief from the Clinton administration who at the 911 hearings, tried, with the media and the democrats and his book, tried to get blame shifted from himself.
You mention swaggart and robertson.....for you OZians, pat robertson ran for president, people think he is christian.....however, I saw him on TV say this as he was doing his regular -healings- via prayer. "there is a man driving a voltswagon, he doesnt know he has (insert medical problem), in the name of jesus...he is healed" Well, thats just swell. Only thing is, Jesus was not his name, it was Yeshua, and there is no psycics in christianity. No one that can see over distance, diagnose medical problems via some otherworldly all seeing capacity, and no one that can still be considered sane or christian if they think they can.
Swaggart, I saw on tv last week. I saw him as I scrolled by channels, and I thought, what the heck is wrong with his eyes? Is he drunk? on psycke drugs? He then, of all topics, talks about human sex behaviour, and how he know understands the -real- understanding of our behaviours and....to complete the bizarreness....says...that almost no other preachers understand what he understands.
This guy, was caught publically, once with a rather poor choice of a hooker. after making a tearful -and what should have been private apology to god-, he goes out and gets caught publically with another, this time even more tacky hooker.
Some people use this to dismiss Christianity, which is like blaming the steak for the guy wearing it on his head.
I bring this up, because you mentioned them Goldilox, but also, because, in OZ, the church and state are one.
Now Topaz might drop his compass reading that! However, when the state teaches religion, the church and state are one. It is only a matter of time before the state religion shows its head and takes over the nation.
In OZ, as in sunny england, the state religion is the same one that the united states is/has adopted.
In england, after 44 years of religious education in the schools, a poll of kids, who themselves 90 percent, say thier main source of religious knowledge is the RE class in shool, (soon to be 100 percent a generation from now, as parents leave this subject to the state, like thier parents did and thier parents did.)
Anyway, only 23 percent of the kids think jesus (actually Yeshua), is divine.
Well, and some of that 23 percent is muslim, who havent made the jump yet to the state relgions MAIN PREMISE......which is, actually buddist. The underlying premise, to this NWO religion, is that all religions are the same in this one key way.........no one is actually god.
Your belief system central figure, is just a historical figure. good? oh sure, still real? not on your life.
And there you have it. The new world order religion. as taught more and more around the world as they institute character education, morality education, religious education. To all countries of the world this is spreading.
In OZ, as in the US and England, the fight is not, should the state teach religion, but, if there is a fight at all, it is HOW.
arbyh (7/3/05; 01:11:25MT - usagold.com msg#: 133730)
Smedley Butler
Remember good old Smedley Butler? USMC Major General...2 time earner of the Medal of Honor. Anyway...he said: "War is a Racket." Profits are tremendous and the only costs are in human lives. He said he had gone to many places and fought many people for corporate interests.
BTW...I'm in the sandbox right now. Hope to get out of here soon.
Topaz (7/3/05; 01:08:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 133729)
@Dollar Bill.
http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/
Au contraire Billy boy, you're most welcome in MY Oz!
Dont forget to pack some Gold (we don't have any!)...some USDollars (you'd be surprised what they buy downunder) and a compass (very hard to get used to Southern Hemisphere if you're an "outdoors" type).
Don't bring your Guns ...since young Marty Briant ran amok in Tazzie, we're not allowed to have Firearms. Of course the Port Arthur massacre was a CIA NWO ploy to disarm the populace ...but we all know that!
It IS curious though that in Switzerland they encourage Gun ownership in households. Must be the "controlled" media NOT reporting all the mass murders that happen there as a result of same.
I've put a Lunar Link up so you and anyone else for that matter can time your future rants with the Cycle and if necessary, seek absolution by deferring to the "lunatic" within ;-)
C-Man and TC ...thanks!
arbyh (7/3/05; 01:04:25MT - usagold.com msg#: 133728)
Paul Krugman...economist, writer, teacher
I just wanted to briefly tell you about who I have been reading for conterpoint to govt spin. He is an economist and a teacher at Princeston Univ. He wrote a book that I really enjoyed and helped fill in the blanks as to motivations for some of the BS sold as truth....again his name ..Paul Krugman.
Interesting that an economist can print truth because they don't rely on interviews for life's blood and future the way many news people must. They can just examine historical facts, causes, effects, and who said what to determine truth from spin.
Goldilox (7/3/05; 00:53:09MT - usagold.com msg#: 133727)
Support our Troops
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0701-06.htm
snip:
Some people say that it is unpatriotic to question the war, or that it undermines the troops in the field. Those who make this claim understand neither history, democracy, patriotism, nor the deepest meaning of supporting our troops. Europeans historically came to refer to war as 'the sport of kings' because of the capriciousness with which monarchs engaged in it, seeking its spoils and its glory while risking millions of other people's lives in that pursuit.
Mindful of that history, America's Founders sought to introduce a system of checks and balances against such concentrated power. They wanted the people and their representatives to ask tough questions and choose for themselves whether to support or reject a president's policies, including those concerning war and peace. Americans who habitually revere the Founders would do well to remember that Jefferson said "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
-Goldilox
Professor David Green of Hofstra Univ. in NY suggests that "support" for troops requires a lot more than yellow ribbons on our SUVs and mindless subservience to the media and admin rants, only to have them revealed as "emperor's clothing" not long afterward. The best way to "support the troops" this 4th of July is to take the time to be fully informed of their mission and their plight, and make sure your representatives know that you are watching!
Goldilox (7/3/05; 00:14:05MT - usagold.com msg#: 133726)
World view
@ Pritcho,
Thanks for the support, but I would encourage you not to "write off" anyone. People can only understand your point if you attempt to give them the "best possible view" of what you see.
If you are gonna give up reaching out, those who have been afraid to judge the evidence will never be persuaded to take just one more peek!
All of us have labored through incomplete and often "maliciously altered" facts, and come to different conclusions. Sometimes a new body of evidence will reopen a line of thought, and sometimes not. You never know what will fall from a tree until you give it a little shake!
Goldilox (7/3/05; 00:02:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 133725)
Re: North, Sinclair, and other futurre views
@ YGM and TIH,
Timing is everything, and as George Ure reminds us about the WEBBOTs, interpretation and timing can get one into the soup very quickly. I am certain that Sinclair's fundamentals are strong, but his predictions have not been completely accurate.
I try to stick to the priciples and recognize the difference between stating fundamentals and practicing precognition.
Many of the fundamentals espressed by legitimate analysts are unassailable, but translating them into future events requires enough extrapolation to mess up the algorithm badly.
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