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ARCHIVED DISCUSSION FROM 6/28/2001 All times are U.S. Mountain Time (Yesterday's Discussion.) ji (06/28/01; 23:59:23MT - usagold.com msg#: 57139) More on trading with the enemy http://www.barefootsworld.net/srwep.html Going now to another section of 48 Statute 1 (Exhibit 35): "Whenever in the judgment of the Secretary of the Treasury such action is necessary to protect the currency system of the (U)nited States, the Secretary of the Treasury, in his discretion, may require any or all individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations to pay and deliver to the Treasurer of the United States any or all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by such individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations." Notice now to whom we refer as "owning" the money! By this Statute, everyone was required to turn in their gold. Failure to do so would constitute a violation of this provision, such violation to be punishable by a fine of not more than $10,000.00 and imprisonment for not more than ten years. It was a seizure. Whose property may be seized without due process of law under the Trading With the Enemy Act? The enemy's. Whose gold was seized? Ours -- the gold of the people of the united States. Are you seeing the fraud here now? Could this be the beginning of a new deal? Possibly a one-sided deal. How long can this type of action continue? Let's find out. "Now, therefore, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, in view of such continuing national emergency and by virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917 (40 Stat. L. 411) as amended by the Act of March 9, 1933, do hereby proclaim, order, direct and declare that all the terms and provisions of said Proclamation of March 6,1933, and the regulations and orders issued thereunder are hereby continued in full force and effect until further proclamation by the President." We now understand that the Proclamation 2039, of March 6, 1933 and Proclamation 2040 of March 9, 1933, will continue until such time as another proclamation is made by "the President". Note that the term "the President" is not specific to President Roosevelt; it is a generic term which can equally apply to any President from Roosevelt to the present, and beyond. So here we have President Roosevelt declaring a national emergency (we are now beginning to realize the full significance of those words) and closing the national banks for two days, by Executive Order. Further, he states that the Proclamations bringing about these actions will to continue "in full force and effect" until such time as the President, and only the President, changes the situation. Has the termination of the national emergency ever been considered? In Public Law 94412, September 14, 1976 (Exhibit 70), we find that Congress had finally finished their exhaustive study on the national emergencies, and the words of their findings were that they would terminate the existing national emergencies. We should be able to heave a sigh of relief at this decision, for with the termination of the national emergencies will come the corresponding termination of extraordinary Presidential power, won't it? But yet we have learned two difficult lessons: that we are still in the national emergency, and that power, once grasped, is difficult to let go. And so now it should come as no surprise when we read, in the last section of the Act, Section 502 (Exhibit 71), the following words: "(a): The provisions of this Act shall not apply to the following provisions of law, the powers and authorities conferred thereby and actions taken thereunder (1) Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended (1 2 U. S. C. 95a; 50 U. S. C. App. 5b)" The bleak reality is, the situation has not changed at all. The Act of October 6, 1917( The Trading with The Enemy Act), as amended is current law. SHIFTY (06/28/01; 22:48:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 57138) ax , Black Blade, all USAGOLD All the news a goldbug could use! If you scroll down to The Stranger (06/28/01; 10:52:53MT - usagold.com msg#: 57073) you will see the Kemp piece posted right here at home.:-)$hifty ji (06/28/01; 22:24:12MT - usagold.com msg#: 57137) @Crossroads Are we operating under the Constitution? http://www.barefootsworld.net/srwep.html The link above is a report on how we became a constitutional dictatorship and our gold was confiscated. Believe it or not.Excerpt from report:A Special Report on the NationalEmergency in the United States of America On the next day, March 6 ,1933, President Roosevelt issued Proclamation 2039, which has been included in this report, starting at the bottom of Exhibit 8. In Exhibit 32, we find the following: "Whereas there have been heavy and unwarranted withdrawals of gold and currency from our banking institutions for the purpose of hoarding . . ." Right at the beginning, we have a problem. And the problem rests in the question of who should be the judge of whether or not my gold, on deposit at the Federal Reserve, with which I have a contract which says, in effect, that I may withdraw my gold at my discretion, is being withdrawn by me in an "unwarranted" manner. Remember, the people of the united States were in dire economic straits at this point. If I had gold at the Federal Reserve, I would consider withdrawing as much of my gold as I needed for my family and myself a "warranted" action. But the decision was not left up to We, the People. It is also important to note that it is stated that the gold is being withdrawn for the "purpose of hoarding". The significance of this phrase becomes clearer when we reach Proclamation 2039, wherein the term "hoarding" is inserted into the amended version of Section 5 (b). The term, "hoarding", was not to be found in the original version of Section 5(b) of the Act of October 6, 1917. It was a term which was used by President Roosevelt to help support his contention that the United States was in the middle of a national emergency, and his assertion that the extraordinary powers conferred to him by the War Powers Act were needed to deal with that emergency. ax (06/28/01; 22:19:38MT - usagold.com msg#: 57136) WSJ Kemp Gold Article http://www.polyconomics.com Dear Forum Readers:The above web site has the WSJ Kemp Gold Article preceededby a letter to Alan Greenspan from Jude Wanniski today onthe same subject.Ax Black Blade (06/28/01; 22:17:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 57135) Grasshoppers swarming California farms http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/06/28/grasshopper.invasion.ap/index.html Snippit:"They're coming in droves. For every one we control with pesticides, a thousand more are on the way," said George Cooper, owner of Central Valley Trees, a 40-acre retail nursery in rural Fresno County just outside of Clovis.Black Blade: "...and they danced, sang and..." OK, OK, I won't say anything! Black Blade (06/28/01; 21:57:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 57133) RE: SHIFTY, Stranger, Leigh, ... All! http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3b649a0c7b.htm Our Economy Needs A Golden Anchor by Jack KempSnippit:The Fed may yet get lucky with its rate cuts, although the Bank of Japan never did. The only certain way to end this deflation is to have the Fed stop targeting interest rates and begin targeting gold directly -- not by "fixing" the price of gold by administrative fiat as some people mistakenly characterize it, but rather by calibrating the level of liquidity in the economy, over which the Fed has exclusive and precise control, to keep the market price of gold stable within a narrow band closer to $325 than $275.Black Blade: A good article from the WSJ and also posted at the site above. ax (06/28/01; 21:47:54MT - usagold.com msg#: 57132) Jack Kemp / WSJ/ Shifty Shifty, if you are talking about the Jack Kemp gold articlein the WSJ you can get the text from today's www.polyeconomics.com ( Jude Wanniski).Ax SHIFTY (06/28/01; 21:36:00MT - usagold.com msg#: 57131) The Stranger Thanks for the info. I left the paper drying on a chair at my aunts house. $hifty Black Blade (06/28/01; 21:34:44MT - usagold.com msg#: 57130) Body Count Update http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/30/layoffs.html More layoffs coming. RE: JMB - You got me. The author does not provide much of a reference point. At first I assumed that he used growth and GDP percentages interchangably. On further reading, it is clear as mud. Cheers!- Black Blade ji (06/28/01; 21:27:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 57129) The obscurities of a concept called "money" Money. In usual and ordinary acceptation it means coins and paper currency used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate. Lane v. Railey, 280 Ky. 319, 133 S.W.2d 74, 79, 81. (Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, page 906)Real money. Money which has real metalic, intrinsic value as distinguished from paper currency, checks and drafts. (Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, page 1137)Are we discussing the concept of money or real money? The Stranger (06/28/01; 21:27:42MT - usagold.com msg#: 57128) Shifty Sorry, I didn't see your request until just now. If you haven't already found it, it is on page 16, section A. JMB (06/28/01; 20:37:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 57127) BLACK BLADE Mr. Martin Wolf's, "The fed's race against time"/Your #57124 Great work BB.I do not understand the following...brain cramp??"The financial deficit of the private sector also was an unprecedented 6.5 per cent of gross domestic product in 2000 - a shift of 12 percentage points since 1992." How do the numbers work? Black Blade (06/28/01; 20:19:12MT - usagold.com msg#: 57126) RE: CoBra(too) (06/28/01; 18:01:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 57114) The Cortez - Pipeline project is PDG's flagship. Rio Tinto or RTZ has an interest acquired through the Kennacott merger. I understand that you are aquatinted with Coral Gold's interests. They also were fortunate that Amax did a bit of exploration and then let the whole thing lapse, leaving Coral a nice bit of exploration data gratis. Good deal! Isn't Coral Gold's position on the Robinson Ranch property? Anyway, PDG is working the South Pipeline area now. Getchell will require a lot of capital such as a new mill, autoclaves (lots of sulfide mineralization - orpiment, realgar, stibnite, getchellite, etc.), extensive underground development (geologically unstable), etc. Last week they had another fatality due to a rock fall. However, Getchell is high-grade and has lots of potential when gold prices become reasonable again. CEO jay Taylor had announced that PDG would unwind hedges shortly after the WA and the POG took off. Then the next trading day, ABX in an act of desperation said that they would hedge like the blazes and then the POG tanked again. Unfortunately, PDG reneged on their hedging stance and caved in to certain influences. I only invest in profitable reasonably priced unhedged (no forward sales) gold miners like HGMCY, GOLD, and FN. In light of the South Africans unwillingness to allow the merger of GOLD and FN, it looks as if mergers between SA golds and hedge funds like ABX and AU are out of the question. Other prime targets for desperate hedgers are MDG, AEM, and GG. ET (06/28/01; 20:12:24MT - usagold.com msg#: 57125) Randy Hey Randy, you write;"...it has been a GOLD discussion forum; and the only sound you'll hear echoing in your ears if you pursue dialogon such off-topic items as AIDS is the sound of your posting code being tossed onto the bone pile. As always,your "fate" is in your own hands. Act wisely."Where is the warning that posts advocating socialistic solutions to everyday affairs are not to be a subject of discussion here? Aren't those "solutions" historically the antithesis of gold ownership? Are you declaring this no longer a forum but rather just another form of propaganda? Act wisely! Black Blade (06/28/01; 19:59:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 57124) The Fed's race against time http://markets.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3XDK11GOC&live=true Snippit:Reality hurts. The extent of the pain and the ability of the Federal Reserve to relieve it will determine what happens not just to the US, but to the world economy, over the next few years. Most analysts still forecast nothing worse than a modest slowdown. They are likely to be disappointed. The short-run possibilities seem quite distinct: either the US will tumble into a deep recession or the Fed will persuade the consumer to save the day. What is most unlikely is continued stagnation. Yet this is just the short run. If the Fed persuaded US households to spend, there would be a further deterioration in their balance sheets. That would be fine as long as interest rates remained low. But what if there were to be a subsequent resurgence of inflation? Then the Fed would face a dilemma: monetary tightening might trigger a recession more terrible than the one it is trying to prevent today. If the gathering downturn is to be halted, the Fed has to persuade consumers to keep on spending. This just might work, though the success of central banks in rescuing post-bubble economies has been decidedly limited. But it may also merely postpone the economy's day of reckoning. The central bank risks making the world safe in the short run by rendering it still more dangerous in the longer run. Black Blade: The answer is to spend? Oh boy - Storm Clouds on the Horizon! Consumers are tapped out, worried about unemployment, and trying to get out of debt, trying to salt away a little savings. Spending is the last thing they should be doing. Black Blade (06/28/01; 19:48:16MT - usagold.com msg#: 57123) Experts See Warning Signs of Recession http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010626/bs/economy_recession_dc_1.html Snippit:NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New Economy recession will probably look a lot like an Old Economy recession, according to U.S. business cycle experts who are now seeing many of the classic warning signs of a such a downturn. A prolonged decline in industrial output, steadily rising unemployment and the bust of a boom in business investment are all adding up to the same type of weakening that characterized virtually every recession since World War II, analysts said. ``Either we are in a recession or this is the worst non-recession ever,'' said Anirvan Banerji, director of research at the Economic Cycle Research Institute (ECRI). ``It's not different this time. It is following the classic pattern with minor variations.''Black Blade: And every postwar recession was preceded by an energy crisis. Still possible to get a Gold parachute (Gold insurance). Black Blade (06/28/01; 19:41:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 57122) Is Asia Heading for a Perfect Storm? http://www.bloomberg.com/feature/feature993652159.html Snippit:Critics pointed out that Asian governments, made complacent by the rebound, had begun shelving the financial reforms that economists had warned were needed to ward off future crises. What if the U.S. economy slowed? Wouldn't Asia be vulnerable again? Now, with the U.S. economy growing at only a fraction of its earlier pace, Asia's income from exports has fallen off dramatically. Many Asian governments have given up on financial restructuring, saying their economies can't cope with it now. "All the weaknesses that got covered up in the recent boom are once again exposed,'' said Gregory B. Fager, Asian expert at the Institute of International Finance, an umbrella organization for banks that lend to emerging-market countries.Black Blade: Now if anyone ever needed to hedge with gold... nickel62 (06/28/01; 19:36:58MT - usagold.com msg#: 57121) Musings Ten years ago as a confirmed gold believer, I would get a sinking in my stomach at the thought of the worlds central banks flooding the world markets with their apparently unwanted gold. I guess the nightmare has come true and I have lived through it I think. The other fear I have had is that their was a mistake in my calculations for the total supply of gold in the world and that there would actually be an endless glut of cheap gold produced by a wave of new mining companies. Each sprung from the hip of some investment banker with the ability to raise capital quickly and using some new technology to either find deposits more easily or process gold more efficently(heap leaching, bio leaching etc.) Well having lived through the last ten years, I guess we have seen the central banks sell off more gold than we feared in our worse nightmare and every other major hoard from Marco's fabled gold treasure, to Russia's dismantling of an entire countries mineral wealth, to whatever has been able to be created from the forward sales of all the hedged producers. Now gold is still standing, bowed , beaten and manipulated but still in demand. The current price appears to be the world clearing price for the excess of all these various hoards being dumped at once on the market. What better valuation could we as investors have then the resilience of the gold market over the last several months. Let's hope the bastards have finally run low on their ability to weave gold from paper. It has been a very long time and I think we are finally there. JMB (06/28/01; 19:24:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 57120) KarenSue Greetings and welcome Karen Sue. Hopefully SECTOR will have a moment to read your #57066 and direct you properly. A "friend" of his has done a "little work" on the very subject you have discussed.To any and all: "A major bull market in the dollar." If so, I unequivocally state that we have A MAJOR BULL MARKET IN UNEMPLOYMENT! Tree in the Forest (06/28/01; 19:12:03MT - usagold.com msg#: 57118) Max Rabbitz In answer to your first question, the time for "stopping" for delivery for the June gold contract was over today. Last delivery day is Friday. The purpose in dropping the price is so that the "boys" can take delivery at a lower price. They make up all kinds of excuses like an Australian gold mine wanted to dump some gold. As if anyone who made a product would intentionally dump it to drive his profits down! Some 510,000 oz are being stopped with only around 900,000 oz total available at Comex. However, we have been here before with seemingly large deliveries of metal having little or no effect on Comex stocks. A certain amount of metal may just go around in circles. Whether this month will be any different remains to be seen. auspec (06/28/01; 18:52:10MT - usagold.com msg#: 57117) cb2-dini Do you know if Rio Tinto has much precious metal work going besides what you mentioned? I always figured they were at least 75% in the base metals. Yes, PDG was left off the 'list' of gold advocate stocks. Must have been some horible oversight on my part {snicker}. Placer Dumb will survive off of connections if not smarts.Hoping these guys reach really deep into your larder and pick up a few commonly owned gems for the lift off! Make it happen cb2-dini! Christian (06/28/01; 18:38:08MT - usagold.com msg#: 57116) HR4541 + S2697 HR4541 has passed the house, which removes the energy and metals market from public scrutiny and regulatory oversight. Barrick Gold is a banking entity with mining opersations on the side. A few days ago the FED purchased a lot of gold and silver with its freshly printed money and during the last few days dumped it and used the proceeds to buy todays stock market. Yesterday's interest cut did nothing to bolster the stock market so today the FED stepped in and moved the market up. It won't last. Internet excecutives and wall street insiders still have mountains of stock to sell they had accumulated for pennies on the dollar. As long as the FED can print $1000 at a cost of 15 cents and buy gold with it and then dump it to support the stock market I just can not see gold being able to make a large move. Especially when gold is purchased for $270+or- and dumped at BIS for trade settlement dollars worth $540 per oz of gold. We the common people can not do that nor ever will be able to do so with HR4541 + S2697 passed. We the people are screwed, period..... Randy (@ The Tower) (06/28/01; 18:07:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 57115) Sierra Madre and the obscurities of a concept called "money" http://www.usagold.com/cpmforum/archives/2720016/default.html Yesterday I continued with progress on a particular presentation of thought that I had actually begun at the beginning of June. I had asked our visitors for their input on what the term "sound money" meant to them. I have archived their many answers, and shall elaborate on that in due course.But in the process, a strange notion occurred to me. How could I possibly embark upon a discourse of "sound money" if we did not first establish what money is. It is not what people here might superficially think it is (or rather WANT to think it is.)Gold is definitely wealth; its a highly liquid, immutable, tradable tangible asset. For that reason some of us can never have too much of the stuff. But is it "money"? In your comment to von Braun, you indicated that our units of "dollars" were once upon a time defined as a definite quantity of gold. Clear as a bell, a gram of gold is a gram of gold, just like a dollar of gold would be a dollar of gold!But soon after, the bell ceased its clear peals, and somehow gold (under the bulk of its dollar weight <ha ha!>) got unfortunately mired down in the concept we call "money". As it turns out in the end, the "dollar" could morph itself into the "right shape" for money, but despite gold's supreme ductility and malleability, the metal could not."Money" is one of those things that lots of folks talk about, though few people really REALLY understand. It's kinda like this: do you REALLY know the back of your hand as well as the saying goes -- "like the back of your hand"? Literally, yes; but figuratively, probably not. Some of life's most basic mundane items regularly pass below our noses with very little focused scrutiny.It's one thing to discuss money or monetary systems generically, but it's time we give the actual concept of "money" (in and of itself) some of the intense attention it deserves, particularly here at a gold discussion forum. And for that, I'll slowly but surely try to suitably piece together for this format a rather challenging presentation on the concept of money that we all live with whether we like it or not. Because the notion of "value" is also an importantly player, I introduced the initial food for thought yesterday (click URL) in msg#: 57004.Have a look, give it some thought, and stay tuned.... CoBra(too) (06/28/01; 18:01:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 57114) @ auspec - re - Rio Tinto Zinc ... Before it becomes an obsession I would like to point out and I hope that I'm correct-"The Zinc Co." dates back to the early 1900's and was founded by Herbert Hoover, a geologist, who later became President of the USA, in 1929? - anyway he was the forerunner of FDR - too bad, since he was a real philantropist. The same co. became Rio Tinto Zinc, then RTZ and back to Rio Tinto - and they still hold 40% in the Cortez JV in Nevada, which is essentially the famed "Pipeline Deposit", Gold Acres and some, with PDG holding 60%, after squeezing out Goldfields interests for peanuts! As the Cortez JV may be peanuts for RTZ - it's probably the lifeline for PDG - and you have to wonder about their recent takeovers - Western Areas (50% for cash) and Getchell Gold (100% for stock)and the latter doesn't even produce now, due to new evaluation and interpretation of geolical and technological overhaul. Though the potential is great ... as PDG did not really add to the reserves of late. Oh, well it's too late to debate the fate of PDG, reminding me of a mouse, wanting to be - an elephant and turned a louse! ... What a waste of brilliancy, talent and ability by a management writing down successibly, excessively Mt. Milligans, Las Christinas and others agressively! .... An ounce in the ground ... may be encumbered not by hedging alone - no, it may be also prone to belong in the end to someone, who's able to contest this conquest. ... and then, we're talking again at the same amount of ounces in the ground - as mergers are only consolidating known reserves into fewer players - ... and playing 'em into the hands of the betrayers, who are willing and able to put some cash on the table ... though, in the end they're only the strong arm of the BB's - even if they pretend to abhor these. The ABX/HM absurdity of a mismatch - is that what you've got to understand as an oxymoron? - proves this thesis? - No? ... Just wait for the next (ba)hedger to raid my long haul larder ... as vultures try harder to rip out a scrap from the same carcass ... as new ones will be hard to find - in kind. HM - it's sad to see you go, though you've had your day and I'm sad to say I couldn't wait for your last decay - so I've boldly sold and didn't wait for the final bait of your scavengers ... R.I.P. I've loved you too - cb2PS: and I've made an annualized 200% too - thank you ... and you know it's only a token of what I've invested in you - in terms of trust -fare-well or go to hell! Leigh (06/28/01; 17:40:01MT - usagold.com msg#: 57113) Wrong Link http://www.newsmax.com Sorry, misspelled the link. Leigh (06/28/01; 17:38:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 57112) "Go Back to Gold" in NewsMax http://www.newmax.com Newsmax has a story on called "Jack Kemp Says Go Back to Gold." It's listed on the left-hand side of the home page. Gold Trail Update (06/28/01; 17:36:01MDT - Msg ID:57111) The Gold Trail Discussion has been Updated The Gold Trail Discussion has been updated. Click on the link to read the latest updates. auspec (06/28/01; 17:06:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 57110) Out of Franco-Nevada's Annual Report Outlook For Gold"We firmly believe that gold prices will move higher but have no strong view as to when this will happen. Our studies, and those of our peers, indicate that 90% of gold projects require at least US$350 per ounce of gold to generate after-tax returns of 10%. Gold has been in a bear market for over 20 years!""The best predictor of higher commodity prices is a sustained period where prices are well below the all-in cost of production. This situation currently exists in the gold industry. The industry has been driven down to the point where its total global market capitalization is below US$32 billion.""We believe tremendous bargains can be obtained by buying out of favor cmmodities that have long-term development potential."Comment: Hold out Franco! auspec (06/28/01; 16:35:16MT - usagold.com msg#: 57109) nickel62 Barrick and Homesteak per Robt Bishop Thought you might be interested in the perspective from Robt Bishop and his Gold Mining Stock Report as it relates to Barrick and Homesteak. How did it come about that 2 entities as "culturally different" as these 2 could end up together? Homesteak basically "capitulated at the bottom of the market", and will in the end be known for taking the 'golden parachute' for management, as opposed to looking out after shareholders. Bishop reports from what he calls a 'quality source' that homesteak and Newmont were in advanced discussions prior to Barrick coming into the picture. Homesteak's Jack Thompson then made a call to Barrick for purposes of courtesy or improving the deal, then ended up in Barrick's hands. This may be how your Homesteak got taken out 'so quickly'. Bishop is in agreement with many that the new Barrick is largely a banking entity with "mining operations on the side."Yes, the juniors are a 'burning match', subject to extinguishment or brilliant flame, sometimes both. I like your statement "Gold producers and gold investors have found themselves as pawns in a much larger game that has run for a very long time and now threatens to consume those who are unaware of its implications." How{e} often does one see a pawn capture the King? Stay tuned! Nothing lasts forever, especially a sham taken to such an extreme. Might I add that the 'cabal' has made the fatal mistake of underestimating their enemies? Trying to do away with market cyclicality, such foolishment.Since you're into 'nickel', what do you think of Aurora Platinum looking for nickel in Canada and finding diamond kimberlite? An interesting twist on Diamond Fields looking for diamonds and finding one of the world's largest nickel mine. Hope they work out the same. I follow the junior explorers even more than the junior producers you mention, they are at current give away prices. Quickly burning matches!A fascinating confluence of events leading to today's gold market imbalance. The Child King's banker, the Russian smeltdown, Japanese doldrums, South African politics, and CBs going to the extreme, even for them; leads to quite the opportunity from this angle.Regards,auspec Sierra Madre (06/28/01; 16:25:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 57108) Just a little note to Prof. von Braun.... It is incorrect to speak of a fixed "gold price".What was actually fixed, or it was attempted to fix, was not the "price of gold", most definitely.It was the price of the "dollar" or the "pound" or the "mark" or the "franc", etc., in terms of how many of those units it should take, to purchase one ounce of gold.Big difference, sometimes obscured.Sierra Centennial Precious Metals, Inc. / USAGOLD (06/28/01; 16:17:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 57107) Thanks to derivative pricing, this is our lowest price yet on the Chervonetz! http://www.usagold.com/onlinestore/special.html
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