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ThaiGold (11/25/00; 20:54:18MT - usagold.com msg#: 42187)
Silver -- More Info Links for your Enjoyment
... FYI: Silver's Price is Way-UnderValued, Compared to Gold ...
Austrailia's Perth Mint. Plethora of Silver Legal Tender coins.
(Thanks Topaz)
http://www.perthmint.com/content.htm

Mexico's newset Legal Tender Silver Coins: The Libertad.
http://tiendas.todito.com/cgi-bin/portalB/tiendas/tienda.p?tiendaid=Monedas&usuarioid=2564307
(Thanks Sierra Madre)
-and-

Mexico's other Legal Tender Silver Coins & A Gold coin:
http://tiendas.todito.com/cgi-bin/portalB/tiendas/tienda.p?tiendaid=Monedas&usuarioid=2564307
(Thanks Sierra Madre)

A fabulous new Silver-oriented website, with a monthly essay
and links to other Silver sites, plus Ted Butler's Silver essays:
http://www.SilverInvestor.com
(Currently under construction, being revised to include links to
the Mexican website's essays)
(Thanks David Morgan)

The Silver Institute. A Silver Mining and Marketing association.
http://www.SilverInstitute.org/

Hecla Mining Co.'s website. Many Silver educational links.
http://www.hecla-mining.com/

ThaiGold


ThaiGold (11/25/00; 20:32:07MT - usagold.com msg#: 42186)
RePost: Silver: The Real Money... Essays from Latin America Perspective.
http://www.plata.com.mx/plata/english.htm
All: Glad to see alot of you picked up on the Silver link info.
Here's a RePost of it, for those who missed it:
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ThaiGold (11/24/2000; 1:08:56MT - usagold.com msg#: 42115)
Silver: The Real Money... Essays from Latin America Perspective.
http://www.plata.com.mx/plata/english.htm
Several very enlightening essays at this (above) link, regarding
Silver and it's upcoming/inevitable resurgence throughout the
countries of Latin America, as Legal Tender coinage. They
intend to ween themselves from Dollarization in 2001. Fed up
with IMF and World Bank trashing their economies.
You won't hear about these on CNBC...

ThaiGold


Galearis (11/25/00; 20:27:44MT - usagold.com msg#: 42185)
@Canuck
Red Lake, Mexico, Silver Institute, Toronto
Hello to you too, sir. With tunes from the Twilight Zone in the background, (albeit dimly) I am connected with all of the above. I am very disappointed to have missed that Global show on Red Lake, as I toiled below in Campbell Mine in the '60s. Mexico: I own some stock in silver from a mine down there - and have posted a recent article on silver coinage, AND while I don't live in TO, I was born there and left as soon as I could with a feeling of great relief.

All of which is not particularly interesting to the forum except for the reference to the Silver Institute. Rhody, who is related to me rather closely, emailed them about one year ago with a question concerning world silver shortages. He did not leave a name. That evening some gentleman phoned him from New York, introduced himself as a member of the Institute, and queried him closely about his interest in the market... It was quite spooky to him that they would back track his email address, followed by his phone number and, of course, they would also know his home address. They wanted THEIR questions anwered and were not forthcoming with answers to his..... The intent was to intimidate. As you might imagine this group might be constantly worried that there is another W.B. out there. Rhody is not one, but how would THEY know.

I have no real anecdotes from Mr. Butler except to say he does not hold them in very high esteem either. Perhaps he could enlighten us. Rhody understands they do not like each other very much. I wonder why? (smile)

Balmertown, (sigh) what a wacky, wide-open town it was then! The days when miners used to hype alcohol underground to party. (They used to lose a few over shute dragging in those days over this and other foolishness.) What memories! One could even find (v.g.) gold on the dumps. (They almost threw us in jail on a bogus high-grading charge. Well, bogus in that it did not stick anyway.) But that is a long story, one of many, and duties call elsewhere. Bedtime.

Canuck (11/25/00; 19:08:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 42184)
Red Lake, Ont.
Hope some folks saw the documentary on CanWest (Global) just an hour ago about the 'Gold Rush in Red lake'. Fascinating news, property being gobbled up big time. The 'high-grade' capital of the world.

Goldcorp, Placer and recently AngloGold are the 3 main players. Anglogold's first venture into N.A. Goldcorp's internet challenge, a revolution in the industry brought geologist's and geo-physicist's around the world looking for Goldcorp's second 6-million ounces. Placer poured it's 10 millionth ounce of gold out of it's Red Lake operation.

Pics of the Campbell and Madison camps for Canuck Gold and I. Hope you saw it bud. Some dude on a jack-leg and a newbie on a stoper.

Gold and silver conversation coming off the bottom now, we are getting warmer boys.

Canuck (11/25/00; 18:54:49MT - usagold.com msg#: 42183)
@ Galearis
Good day Sir, yes the news from Mexico is enlightening of late!

Refering to your earlier post how is it that Ted Butler has been 'spooked'? I do notice Ted is quiet.

I guess from your post that you may be from T.O.?



Sierra Madre (11/25/00; 18:20:31MT - usagold.com msg#: 42182)
Cavan Man...your query and doubts about silver for Mexico
How would a silver standard impact the maquila sector of the Mexican economy?

Silver is about the long term. In the long term, the maquila sector may have a big problem as political pressure in the U.S. builds for proteccionism against cheap Mexican labor. When the next Depression hits (have Depressions really been abolished?) there will be a great deal of unemployment, and - don't you think it likely that there will be vigorous, even violent, opposition to products coming in from Mexico, that used to be made in the U.S., when there are millions out of work?

The group at plata.com.mx is talking about introducing silver "in parallel" to paper. The maquila industry can continue to operate and pay wages in paper - as long as people are willing to work for paper, which will probably be for quite a while.

But silver will be available for savings. The poor have had no refuge of any kind available for their hard earned savings. Most of the poor would never dream of entering a bank. And bank savings vanish with devaluations...as everyone knows.

I might point out that Steve Hanke, who advocates "Currency Boards" using the Dollar, has admitted that there have been examples of a successful use of a parallel currency in gold. But he refuses to discuss the possibilities of silver for Mexico, in this regard. Would affect his position at Johns Hopkins University?

The oligarchy...the oligarchy is going to find itself impoverished when this global monetary and credit idiocy comes to a head. At present, they disdain precious metals. As Will Rogers said: "There are three ways of learning
1. You can read books and learn 2. You can learn by listening to others and 3.The rest have to piss on the electric fence for themselves."

When the time comes, the oligarchy will be all for silver and gold.

aunuggets (11/25/00; 18:06:03MT - usagold.com msg#: 42181)
Cavan Man - Dollar "value" vs. gold ?
.
If you will take the highest current denomination note in U.S. $ (the $100 bill), weigh it, and divide the troy ounce by that weight and multiply times $100, you will soon discover that the dollar is (in this case) worth far more than gold, ounce for ounce.........(grin)

Cavan Man (11/25/00; 17:53:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 42180)
Stranger's penchant for things "Golden"
Or; a picture is worth a thousand words!
Just had the pleasure of reading the latest "News and Views" on a cold and wet November eve. My attention was drawn to the graphs on page three charting the value of gold (POG for you folks in Palm Beach County) in EURO, A$, Sterling and, US$.

Is the US dollar as good as gold; yea, is it better than gold. I say not. What say ye Stranger?

Cavan Man (11/25/00; 17:48:25MT - usagold.com msg#: 42179)
Sierra Madre
How would a silver standard impact the maquila sector of the economy? Mexico is one of the original "dollarized" countries of the world. It's hard for me to envision Mexico run as it is by an oligarchial elite not cooperating with the US to the detriment of the majority of Mexican citizens. BTW, I have done some business in Mexico. IMHO, the people there are some of the finest I have ever had the pleasure to meet.

Galearis (11/25/00; 17:42:13MT - usagold.com msg#: 42178)
@ Sierra Madre
Mexican silver move....
I just now returned home, weary and foot sore, and am back onto my favourite site. I plan to keep a critical eye on that Mexican site - and plan to email them to invite that crowd to look in on ours. It is also interesting that the silver coinage is not to be "fiat" hedged (if I can put it that way), so one can surmise that in a fully developed bull one can expect many of that fair country to be carrying some hard-copy of what silver spot, in our new physical market (wherever that may be), would be from day to day. Or is it more accurate to speculate that MOST of the new coinage will be no face value except for weight - and the coins will be of varying measure.

My reference to the Silver Institute and "censure" was not, I think idle. Both Ted Butler, and Rhody have had reason to be spooked by these people. It was not a friendly meeting of minds on Rhody's part, and one is inclined to think that a body such as this - or indeed this organization itself - may have "persuaded" Warren Buffett to lease back most of his 130 million ounces of silver that he bought a few years back. The lease overhang, among other fundamentals of the silver market, was why W.B. cornered the supply this way in the first place, and it begs the question of why such an intelligent player would succumb to the same stupidities as those of the "Cabal" and play the game this way. Of course it may have been both more complicated and innocent than an arm twist - and quite above board. But one wonders.

But there I go down the path again. I also wanted to mention that I purchased a modest supply of bullion from my dealer. He had new supplies and again his prices indicate a physical spot price of around $US5.00. He does not purchase from ScotiaMoccata ("those bunch of crooks"). Paper spot silver continues to fall, while physical holds the line.

Trail Guide seems to be right on....But the process is VERY slow. Thank goodness!

TheStranger (11/25/00; 17:25:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 42177)
Sir Beesting
You flatter me by calling for my opinion. To begin with, I greatly envy this guy's 46% 12-month return. (Oh, what would it have been like?)

Normally, funds that get such rich returns do so by trading in high-beta (volatile) stocks. As those are the very stocks which have been creating the most agony this year, I don't blame him for raising cash.

I agree that the economy is slowing. I also believe, by the way, that we are headed for higher, not lower, rates of inflation. But, even in the worst of times, the stock market is a roller-coaster. For seasonal reasons, I happen to believe most stocks will be generally HIGHER over the next two months or more. Consequently, I am, at present, fully invested. But that does not mean the popular averages have hit their final bear market lows. In fact, there is as yet no sign of that being the case.

Thanks.



Zenidea (11/25/00; 16:57:58MT - usagold.com msg#: 42176)
A Snippet from the Cafe

"Sources tell us that the Saudis are buying 100
ounce gold bars for the first time in years. Newly
mined gold bars that typically weigh 1000 ounces
are gradually becoming harder to come by. Newcrest,
Glamis, Homestake, Dayton, and Kinross have all
announced premature mine closures in the past six
months that total around 700,000 ounces (22 tonnes)
of annual production. These closures will take
effect over the next six to twelve months."

Evidence that Cafe suspicion of Arab buying is both
here and correct plus very good insight into how the
North American mining industry has been effected
by the gold scandal.

Zenidea (11/25/00; 16:51:41MT - usagold.com msg#: 42175)
A snippet from the Cafe

"Sources tell us that the Saudis are buying 100
ounce gold bars for the first time in years. Newly
mined gold bars that typically weigh 1000 ounces
are gradually becoming harder to come by. Newcrest,
Glamis, Homestake, Dayton, and Kinross have all
announced premature mine closures in the past six
months that total around 700,000 ounces (22 tonnes)
of annual production. These closures will take
effect over the next six to twelve months."

Evidence that Cafe suspicion of Arab buying is both
here and correct plus very good insight into how the
North American mining industry has been effected
by the gold scandal.

Zenidea (11/25/00; 16:49:54MT - usagold.com msg#: 42174)
A snippet from the Cafe

"Sources tell us that the Saudis are buying 100
ounce gold bars for the first time in years. Newly
mined gold bars that typically weigh 1000 ounces
are gradually becoming harder to come by. Newcrest,
Glamis, Homestake, Dayton, and Kinross have all
announced premature mine closures in the past six
months that total around 700,000 ounces (22 tonnes)
of annual production. These closures will take
effect over the next six to twelve months."

Evidence that Cafe suspicion of Arab buying is both
here and correct plus very good insight into how the
North American mining industry has been effected
by the gold scandal.

Belgian (11/25/00; 15:11:05MT - usagold.com msg#: 42173)
Hashimoto : Japan Prime Minister : 23/06/97 statement
...I hope the US will engage in cooperation to maintain exchange stability, so that we will not succomb to the temptation to sell US treasury Bills and SWICTH OUR FUNDS TO GOLD...

The US$ as epicenter of the financial cyclone. In order to obtain a trade surplus...the whole world is forced to produce and sell to the US and accumulate an increasing amount of detoriating Dollars. World trade is shifting into a suffocating one way street in contrast with a healthy open air,revolving trade. I've called it already : dollar-hyper-concentration. BIS/ECB start pronouncing their worries, about distorted trade balance, publicly at the Berlin conference. A Plaza-like-accord is possibly in the making? The problem is that no soft landing of the dollar can be engeneered. The whole world's biggest and only customer is the US + its sickening, debt loaded dollar. The conflicting situation of economic prosperity and dollar hyperconcentration, asks for corrective action. Voices are whispering.

The (old) Hashimoto statement is gaining weight. If Europ wants to detrone the dollar... they just have to use the gold weapon. There must be reasons why Hashimoto and the ECB/BIS are reluctant to do so. US sanctions ! Death of their golden calf : exports and trade surplusses, with declining currencies. A contradiction in terminis.

The chart (physical gold + paper dollars) in " Why are the americans smiling ?" H.Salinas Price, says it all. How do we bring this 32.000 tons of CB's gold in balance with the massive amount of dollars created out of unproductive and bad debt ? This cannot be done unprepared. Is another, London Gold Pool Operation at work ? What prevented the Asians to jump into gold, when in full crisis ? A rising dollar was much more appealling ? How can you attack the dollar, if you are loaded with that same dollar ? And with the opportunity to sell your production for additionnal dollars. And with the massive volumes of accumulated dollars, you can even buy US debt with a nice interest rate of 6% above the interest rate on your own declining yen.


POG decline is so abnormal, that much more unknown must be hiding under the world's financial skin. Recent Hamilton/Klombies essays (GE) provide us with other angle evidence. If only we had some evidence of secret accumulation of CB's gold. Because so much efforts to make us believe that they are net sellers...is the right stuff for contrarions. The reason why the goldproducers remain so innocently silent, is that they were so easely seduced into the hedging trap. I still do not understand why they act as if " tout va trés bien madame de la marquise" ? Mr. Oppenheimer/Rockefeller...tell us.

Journeyman (11/25/00; 14:16:58MT - usagold.com msg#: 42172)
Anybody Else for president! @ALL
http://www.anybodyelse.com/

An ad executive went independent selling Bush and Gore watches. They weren't very big sellers because, as the exec. said, "These guys are both pretty boring." He expanded his operation, selling "Anybody Else for President" watches, which outsell the total Bush and Gore watches combined by 12 to 1. -FNC, 25 November, 2000, 3:37:30 PM

Regards, j.


Journeyman (11/25/00; 13:07:56MT - usagold.com msg#: 42171)
Still think YOUR vote counts? @ALL

Anyone out there still think YOUR individual vote counts??

Regards, j.


beesting (11/25/00; 13:02:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 42170)
Sir Stranger, if your out there, what do you think of this?
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20Financial%20News&s1=blk&tp=ad_topright_topfin&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&s2=blk&bt=ad_position1_topfin&middle=ad_frame2_topfin&s=AOh.svBWMRnVuZCBN

By Chelsea Emery

New York, Nov. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Peter Trapp, manager of the best-performing aggressive-growth U.S. stock fund in the past year, would rather hold cash these days. Trapp sold shares of Manugistics Group Inc. and BEA Systems Inc., among others, to boost cash and Treasury securities in his Needham Growth Fund to about 10 percent, up from 3.6 percent at the end of September. That's been popular strategy as the Nasdaq Composite Index has plunged as much as 45 percent from its March high and companies from Intuit Inc. to Dell Computer Corp. warned of slowing profit or sales growth.
Money managers held more than 5 percent of their assets in cash at the end of September --
``There's a slowdown in some areas of the economy and if oil prices keep rising,the world economy will run into a brick wall,'' said Trapp, whose fund is up 46 percent in the past 12 months, best among aggressive-growth funds tracked by
Bloomberg. ``That's not a good thing for stocks.''
Funds that buy fast-growing companies now hold 5.49 percent cash. That's the most since 1997, according to researcher Morningstar Inc.

[[[***Trapp said he has 25 percent of his fund's assets dedicated to ``short'' sales, the maximum allowed by fund guidelines. Investors who short stocks sell borrowed shares, hoping that the price will drop so they can buy them back at a lower cost, pocketing the difference.***]]]

DaveC (11/25/00; 12:18:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 42169)
Posts
http://www.federalist.com/
I also want to thank whoever posted the silver links. I enjoyed reading all of those article yesterday.

The Senate Prayer is compliments of The Federalist. They put out two from emails every week about what's happening in US politics. You can tell by the name what their orientation is.

The What Past Statesmen Said is also from The Federalist. I snipped a bunch of the quotes and put them together.

I would comment on the gold market but I have nothing to add to the excellent posts here. That's what drew me here and I come to learn.

My own belief is we are in for a very rough time the next few years, and most likely longer. I am completely liquid in my personal finances and speculate in the futures markets during the day. I also have a nice stash of coins.
Since we are not blessed with children it's a little easier for us.

Someone just mentioned reading Creature From Jekyll Island. I just finished myself last week. I did not want it to end it was good!

I am also a big fan of Ayn Rand. Last night I loaned out The Fountainhead to an English woman friend of ours and last week I loaned out Atlas Shrugged to an Italian woman friend of ours. Both of these ladies are very well read but had never heard of Ayn Rand.

Just trying to do my part in spreading ideas.



Sierra Madre (11/25/00; 12:12:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 42168)
@Galearis and Cavan Man, re: silver currency for Mexico
Indeed the plata.com.mx website is interesting and too bad it has only a few articles in English.

Whether Mexico will be able to do anything significant with Silver, is something no one can tell.

At least, there has been discussion of this theme for the past few years and it has generated a popular consciousness that Mexico has lost its way, and that a return to silver is indispensable, if we are to ever have peace, tranquility, security of savings - and an incentive to save, of course.

The tonnage which the present sale of ounces to the public represents, is quite modest and will not, I think, have any influence on the price.

Yes indeed, there MAY be a run up in the price of silver, perhaps soon. That is why it is urgent for the Bank of Mexico to get as much silver into the hands of the people before the explosion. (And silver will of course, detonate gold!)

Perhaps the volume of minting can be increased...but these things move slowly. You know how officialdom works. "Don't hold your breath"! In that case, yes, eventually some silver will be taken off the market by coining - "monetization"! - imagine that! And if supplies are as tight as Ted Butler and others say they are, then a small restriction in supply, due to monetization, might move the price much higher.

Too bad this move did not come earlier, so more people could find a refuge in silver at cheap prices. As you say, the timing is "most curious" for silver coinage, but - better late than never!

As for censure - it would be welcome, especially coming from the U.S. Then we know it's bound to be wrong!

The ideas expressed in www.plata.com.mx are to introduce a "parallel currency", sort of surreptitiously, without any intention of eliminating paper. Things are too far gone to do that. By putting more and more silver in the hands of the people, when the paper collapses, there will be a money that things can get started on again. Also, silver may, after a strong rise and stabilization (?) at a higher price, be used to grant short-term credit in silver. And unless the world regresses to utter barbarism, this new (old) banking will, in fact, occur.

The new coins HAVE NO FACE VALUE. That is a fact, I assure you.

Puting a face value on the coins, would call into operation Gresham's Law. People would rather part with paper in purchases or payment of debts, rather than silver. With no face value, and a valuation which can fluctuate with the market, silver coins CAN come into circulation - when the people see enough of them, and have them.

Sierra

justamereBear (11/25/00; 12:12:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 42167)
silvercollector 42162


Could it also be part of the problem that oil/petro reserves and/or supplies are finite, and we are nearing the end of supply? Various studies would indicate we should be alarmed.
The rate of new discoveries is dropping like a rock.

j'Bear

justamereBear (11/25/00; 12:01:35MT - usagold.com msg#: 42166)
Lots of interesting posts the last 24 hours

Great information the last 24 hours. Can't remember who posted the origional Mexico silver link, it was a keeper, and thanks
B Blade liked both of your recent posts, particularly 42157. Copied it.
Dave C That senate prayer is pricelees. There is some good in humanity left.

Thanks to everyone who enriched my life.

j'Bear

DaveC (11/25/00; 10:44:45MT - usagold.com msg#: 42165)
What Past Statesmen Said
"You seem...to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all Constitutional questions: a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one, which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. ...And their power (is) the more dangerous, as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots."
--Thomas Jefferson

"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
--Samuel Adams

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God, I know not what course others may take, but give me liberty or give me death!"
-- Patrick Henry

"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike."
--Thomas Jefferson

A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!"
--Alexander Hamilton

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Benjamin Franklin

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God, I know not what course others may take, but give me liberty or give me death!"
-- Patrick Henry"

"The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert its self, though it may be at another time and in another form. Whatever tended to lead the people of any of the states to feel that they could be relieved from their constitutional obligations by transferring them to the federal government, or that they might otherwise evade or resist them, could not fail to be like the tares which the enemy sowed amid the wheat. The Union of states, formed to
secure harmony among the constituent states, could not, without changing its character, survive such alienation as rendered its parts hostile to the security, prosperity, and happiness of one another."
--Jefferson Davis

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports."
--George Washington

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people."
--John Adams

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president...."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
--Barry Goldwater

"The time has come to turn to God and reassert our trust in Him..."
--Ronald Reagan



Parsifal (11/25/00; 10:41:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 42164)
USAGOLD (11/24/2000; 11:31:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 42138),
Almost sold out on the Swiss confederatios

How quickly can you deliver the Swiss Confedratios? They may make nice Christmas presents. I am still waiting for delivery of a Uraguyan and Argentino 5 peso order.

Parsifal

text of previous post
***
Just a short note to say that we are quickly getting to the bottom of the barrel on the Swiss Confederatios. This is the first time we've ever had this many Confederatios to offer and our regular clientele moved quickly. We've got a small problem in that we featured this coin in News & Views this
month and we suspect it will be hitting the mailboxes this weekend. We expected the coin to sell well, but not this well. George Cooper will be at the office until about 4 pm today if anyone wants to get an order in before the weekend.

We would like to thank all who participated in this offer. Those who haven't we encourage to get your order in by calling George today or using the on-line store. All orders will be logged and filled on a first-come, first served basis until we run out of our allotment.
***

Journeyman (11/25/00; 10:32:28MT - usagold.com msg#: 42163)
A perfect opportunity?? @Peter Asher, ALL

Was half watching Roger Cossack (sp.) hosting a special Larry King Live on CNN last night. Cossack is co-host of Burden Of Proof, a very good CNN legal analysis show that airs weekdays at 12:30, I believe.

Anyway, they had a panel of "constitutional experts" (they did have great credentials -- but most law-school graduates, after up to eight years of training, only have approximately three hours (NOT three _semester_ hours) of instruction on constitutional law) giving their comments.

Several panelists pointed out that with the Democratic canvassing boards and Attorney General fighting the Republican Secretary of State, Republican Florida legislature fighting the Democratic Fla. Supreme Court, and the Republican Congress and Republican biased US Supreme Court fighting the Democratic Gore campaign, the contest had gone into a dangerous and terminally partisan process that didn't have any "uniting" solution in sight.

Then one panelist, reacting to the above characterization, suggested -- I think tongue-in-cheek -- that he could forsee it ending up appealed to the Human Rights Court in the Hague. I completely discounted the comment at the time. But this morning, it came back to me as follows:

I doubt TPTB engineered this photo-finish -- but good manipulators often wait for an serindipitous opportunity to put their pre-planned schemes into effect. What an opportunity to emasculate US soverignity!!

I beleive someone else on the forum here made some sort of similar suggestion -- which I also stupidly discounted. Certainly not a certainty, but if I were them and I could but didn't -- the MOTHER of missed opportunities.

I don't really believe they can get it on -- but I didn't believe they could possibly invade Grenada, overturn the Panama government, turn Desert Shield into Desert Storm, or bomb Serbia and Kosovo back to the stone age. So what do I know?

Regards,
Journeyman


silvercollector (11/25/00; 10:07:11MT - usagold.com msg#: 42162)
Mr. Black Blade
Dear Sir,

I have lurked on this forum for a long time before registering recently. I have followed your 'energy' comments closely and if I may I'd like to ask some questions. I pose them to you (because you seem to be quite knowledgeable) or to anyone else with facts.

I begin with this.

Many stories regarding oil and distillate inventories portray the image that they are very low compared to 1999. Examples include "heating oil inventories are 30% lower than last year, NG is 20% lower than last year and crude is 15% lower than last year....etc." (these numbers are not accurate, simply posed as is to reflect example).

Given that 1999 saw inventories 'bulged' up due to Y2K concerns (from EIA website) are 2000 inventories not normal compared to 1998, 1997, 1996,......etc. Is 1999 not the 'unusual' year? This is to ask, are 2000 levels, albeit low compared to 1999, not normal compared to previous years?

The EIA website blamed the crude oil price buildup and inventory buildup to Y2K concerns, not necessarily (and totally) to supply/demand deficits. The astute FOA once remarked that the POO surge was not supply/demand related but simply a function of the overvalued dollar.

So now it seems the high POO is a result of either
a) a supply/demand deficit
b) a follow through of Y2K hoarding
c) a oil-producing feeling of USD over-evaluation
d) a combination of all the above.

How do you feel above the above thought?

My feeling is that Y2K hoarding initially brought the POO to +$30 from early '99 and OPEC and others have 'ran' with it. The over-valuation of a barrel of crude is probably in direct proportion with the over-evaluation of a buck. The fact that more and more oil brought to the table is of little use since it cannot be refined seems to me an odd situation. If it cannot be refined to end-useable items and refineries don't want it why or better yet how could there be a phenominal demand for it? Please recall that Clinton had a hell of a time selling the oil from the 'emergency reserves'. Eventually Tom, Dick and Harry bought it on speculation on latter reselling at a higher price.

I guess my question is if refineries are capable of using X oil why supply X + Y oil? OPEC is correct is it not, why oversupply the market? If this logic is correct what is driving the POO?

Silvercollector

Peter Asher (11/25/00; 09:40:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 42161)
"It isn't over till it's over"

Saturday, November 25 8:18 AM SGT

Florida lawmakers wade in to White House fight

TALLAHASSEE, Florida Nov 24 (AFP) -

Florida lawmakers waded into the bitter fight for the White House on Friday, siding with
George W. Bush in his US Supreme Court appeal against hand recounting of votes.

Speaker of the House Tom Feeney said the Florida Supreme Court had usurped the authority of
the legislature when it ruled earlier this week to extend the state-sanctioned deadline for vote
counting by 12 days to November 26, and to allow hand recounts in the final vote tally.

"The action of the Supreme Court of Florida changed the rules and standards established by the
legislature prior to the election," Feeney told a press conference here.

The Florida Supreme Court overturned a decision by Secretary of State Katherine Harris to
certify the vote on November 14, one week after election day, and to refuse to include hand
recounts, in a decision that delighted the campaign of Bush's rival, Democrat Al Gore.

Feeney said that he and the president of the Florida Senate, John McKay, "have agreed upon
taking certain steps to insure protection of Florida's election results."

"I have agreed to join the president of the Florida Senate to participate in the US Supreme Court
proceedings to question whether or not the Florida Supreme Court exceeded its constitutional
authority," he said.

He added that three top lawyers have been hired by the legislature and that the House and the
Senate had also formed a joint legislative oversight committee to monitor electoral certification
for "accuracy and fairness."

Earlier Friday the US Supreme Court agreed to review an appeal from Bush who insists that the
Florida Supreme Court was wrong to postpone certification of the state's results so as to allow
time for hand recount tallies to be included.

The campaign of Al Gore holds that the Florida electoral dispute is a matter for state authorities
and courts to resolve.

For both sides, the stakes could not be higher. Florida, and its 25 Electoral College votes, will
decide the presidency, enabling either man to obtain the minimum 270 electors needed to win.

Currently, Gore trails Bush in Florida by 930 votes, but the hands recounts may allow him to
erode that lead.

However, the vigilance, and future action of the Florida legislature is a worry to the vice
president's camp.

Two days ago House Majority Leader Mike Sasano threatened to take the fate of the election
away from the vote count entirely.

"There is the possibility of having a special session to appoint the electors if they're not elected
by a certain date," he said.

Federal law says the legislature may appoint the state's Electoral College voters if the normal
apparatus fails to choose them by a statutory deadline Florida set for December 12.

Backing him up, Feeney said lawmakers could act to "ensure an Electoral College
representation for Florida."

In his press conference Friday, Feeney recalled that "in 1892, the United States Supreme Court,
construing Section 1 of Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States, held that this clause
confers, and I quote, 'plenary power to the state legislatures in the matter of the appointment of
electors'."

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silvercollector (11/25/00; 09:29:38MT - usagold.com msg#: 42160)
Thinking out loud
Good day to all.

I have been musing a thought for a few weeks now; perhaps someone with a higher level accounting/economic attitude can help me with this.

There must have been an astronomical amount of revenue realized through capital gains in 1999. The parabolic burst of the major indices in the latter stages of '99 set the stage for enormus gains. Did the Nasadaq not gain some 85% in 1999?

Is there a direct connection to these gains in the major indices to tax revenues hence the repayment or at least the paying down of debt; ie. budget surpluses. Is the boasting of debt repayment by the government due to in part, (or substantially due to) capital gains realized thru gain in stock?

This leads me to 2000. The indices are underwater and/or even, so where will capital gain revenue come from in the spring of 2001?

Thanks in advance, please post publicly to this forum and/or privately to silvercollector@hotmail.com

SC

Peter Asher (11/25/00; 09:27:48MT - usagold.com msg#: 42159)
But will it play on "Mainstream News"

NewsMax.com

Saturday, November 25, 2000

Evidence of Massive Ballot Tampering in Palm Beach
County

There is "Explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot
tampering in Palm Beach, Fl.," says expert statistician Robert
Cook, who notes that ballot errors only occurred in
presidential races?

And, he adds, the same kind of ballot tampering occurred in
Palm Beach County in 1996.

In an analysis sent to Michael Reagan, Cook, a nuclear engineer
with a track record for analyzing and correcting trends,
errors, and mistakes in heavy construction projects (ships,
power plants, nuclear reactors, military and aerospace
vehicles, etc. for more than twenty years) put forth a
compelling case that the 19,120 presidential race ballots at
issue in Palm Beach County were "destroyed by deliberate
double-punching ballots with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or
Pat Buchanan.

Cook used what Reagan called "simplified but wide-ranging
statistical comparisons to establish beyond doubt that
democratic operatives "stole", by double-punching ballots,
approximately 15,000 Bush votes in Palm Beach County; and
approximately 3,400 additional Buchanan votes." Cook charges
that his statistical analysis shows:

· 19,120 Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate
double-punching ballots with a "second punch" for Al Gore or
Pat Buchanan. (In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and Perot
ballots were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots
in Palm Beach County) · The national error rate of
double-punching ballots is less than 1/2 of one percent, or at
most, 1800 ballots in all of Palm Beach County, with the errors
between all races and all candidates · Palm Beach County has an
error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY other county
in the nation using paper punch ballots! · ONLY in Palm Beach
FL were 15,000 ballots "invalidated" (for double punched
ballots) in the 1996 Presidential election. · ONLY in Palm
Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the
Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. (In a truly random
"error," the mistakes happen in every race, all at about the
same rate. In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY
happened in the Presidential race.) · ONLY in Palm Beach did
Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67 counties in
FL, the actual change in the recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63
out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30 votes
either way. · Further, in 63 out of 67 counties the "changes"
were somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in
rough proportion to the original number of votes. This is the
statistically expected result, and represents a true and legal
recount of the ballots without any change in the ballots
themselves. · There are about 15,000 "Bush + Gore" ballots that
have mostly Republican choices below. THESE ARE FRAUDS. They
represent Bush votes that were stolen. · A "mistaken" "Gore +
Buchanan" voter would ALMOST CERTAINLY have chosen the
Democrats in the rest of the ballot.....or, IF AS THEY CLAIM,
those "Gore + Buchanan" voters that were "told to push the
second hole" really meant "only followed directions" ---- THEN
the rest of the ballot would be solid Democrat, or blank. To
read Cook's complete analysis go to:
http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/document-11.15.2000.6.htm



Galearis (11/25/00; 08:58:35MT - usagold.com msg#: 42158)
@ Cavan Man re: silver metal currency
I suppose the important thing about this post is that the Mexicans are at least discussing the option of a return to pm currency at all - which is good for gold and silver markets in general, and infers a great fear in the substance of the US dollar. The other question it begs is what tonnage of silver will this remove from "above ground" available silver bullion in the future. If they go ahead with this scheme to "hedge" on the fiat currency afloat in their country, could it be enough to initiate a bull in the metal. (Does anyone know - for sure - if there will be a face value on the coins? If not will we see a "commodity/asset" currency in play that has a fluctuating value?)

I raise these questions with the notion that above ground available silver may expire as early as spring of next year. In light of this speculation the timing for a silver coinage is most curious. I think the proponents of this scheme should perhaps be prepared for a lot of censure, as the Silver Institute could initiate a counter reaction of some sort.

Regards,

G.

Black Blade (11/25/00; 06:24:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 42157)
Energy crisis threatens a winter of discontent - Matt Simmons at it again!
He was also on CNBC with this analysis on Thursday
THE wheels are about to come off the international oil and gas juggernaut, threatening to pitch the world into an energy crisis on a scale that has never been seen before, and the US and Europe will suffer most.

This dire prediction comes from an American banker, one of the most respected on the circuit today. But few are listening to Matt Simmons, who claims the oil and gas industry is in such a mess that it has lost the ability to keep ahead of global demand.

The consensus is that the current run of $30-plus oil won't last. It is unsustainable. BP believes this is the case, so does Shell, so do most, if not all, oil companies.

Everyone seems hooked on what has become the generally accepted view that commodities such as oil can only get cheaper over time and that supply and demand statistics can be trusted.

Not Simmons and, a few days ago at a summit conference in London, he told a gathering of leading lights from the oil industry, academia and the International Energy Agency (IEA) that the world not only faces an energy crisis, it is with us now - like global warming.

He likens the current situation to a perfect storm -a converging shortage in all three forms of energy: oil, natural gas and electricity - and it will wreak havoc in North America first.

Matt Simmons is president and founder of the Houston energy bank Simmons & Company International, and his client list reads like a Who's Who of the oil and gas industry contracting sector.

This is surely good reason for staying conservative and saying as little as possible about such issues so as not to upset the oil companies?

Not, Simmons. He has always been outspoken and willing to stick his head above the parapet when others have dived for cover. He has the scary habit of being right ... eventually.

Today, he talks of little or no capacity to cope with rising demand, now or in the future, and is calling on oil companies to stop prevaricating and get on with investing again, now the late 1977 through early 1999 slump is fading into memory.

Simmons is calling for an energy industry "Marshall Plan".

The seeds of the energy apocalypse are:

- The world is running out of spare capacity to produce more oil;

- There are no longer enough tankers to shift any additional oil anyway;

- There is little or no scope to boost throughput from refineries;

- An accelerating changeover to gas usage for power despite clear insecurity of gas supplies;

- Global energy demand is picking up faster than had been generally assumed, while backbone non-OPEC oilfields such as in the North Sea are depleting faster than expected.

Such key factors have never converged like this before, claims Simmons.

Those in charge the energy sector have, in his opinion, failed to grasp the existence, let alone severity of the current crisis, which has seen oil prices stick resolutely above $30 per barrel for many months, hitting above $37 during the summer and likely to do so again during the winter. And those responsible for assembling supply and demand statistics and forecasting - the IEA - have got their numbers badly wrong.

There is a growing body of opinion doubting the veracity of the current IEA claim that supply currently outstrips demand by 1.8 million bpd. There may in fact be as much as 1billion phantom barrels of oil in storage around the world. These are barrels of oil that never could exist, because there is not the storage capacity to contain them.

Simmons says $30 crude is not a short-lived blip. While prices may ease a little in the spring, they'll soon clamber back over the threshold that has forced petrol, diesel and heating oil prices to rise sharply this year throughout the US, Europe and elsewhere.

Stateside, the bespectacled, conservatively dressed investment banker calculates that heating oil supplies are now so tight that, if the north-eastern states run out of heating oil this winter because of a cold snap, it could become "the greatest human tragedy of lost lives in US history", with thousands of lives lost as the elderly and disadvantaged freeze to death.

In Europe, Simmons says there is too much reliance on the ability of the Russians to deliver gas from western Siberia. "If Siberian natural gas ends up declining as sharply as Russian oil did 10-12 years ago, Europe will have to find a lot of new energy sources fast to save its economies from real pain."

He believes this will impact on the UK too, where oil production is peaking and where gas self-sufficiency is already close to being on a knife-edge, though North Sea gas is currently being exported to the continent. And yet gas is seen as the backbone fuel of the future.

"How did we get into this mess?" asks Simmons. "Simpl. W e spent the past decade making a series of bad energy mistakes. We thought that energy demand was slowing down while energy growth became one of the big stories of the past decade.

"As energy stocks dwindled to their lowest levels in 30 years, we chalked it up to technology creating just-in-time energy supplies. Instead, we were using up all the energy cushions as a last gasp source of cheap energy supplies.

"We should have spent the last decade preparing to run the energy Olympics that the next 10 years will demand."

As far as Simmons is concerned, there is no point blaming OPEC for the problems.

Picking up on this theme, Dr Robert Mabro of the Middle East Centre at Oxford University says it is too convenient for the West to blame OPEC for the current parlous situation. After all, it is no longer the Organisation of Petroleum Producing Countries that drove the world's oil markets, rather it is London and New York, and that has been the case since the mid 1980s.

Dr Mabro, a world authority on OPEC affairs, agrees the world is desperately short of production capacity and that Saudi Arabia is about the only country able to boost oil output. In his opinion, the Saudis have around two million barrels per day productive capacity in reserve. He deems Nigeria to be in a mess; Iran has no surplus capacity; Venezuelan capacity has declined and not risen as some have been led to believe; and, one way or another, other cartel members cannot plug the gap either. Like the North Sea, the Saudis produce high quality crude, the kind everyone wants because it is cleaner than sour crude, which is bedevilled with contaminants like sulphur.

The problem is there isn't enough to go around. It is said Kazakhstan is the future competitor to Saudi. But its crudes are stuffed with sulphur that has to be stripped out and is in itself starting to pose a major environmental hazard. Added to that, 40-50-60billion barrel East-West Kashagan oilfield is geologically complex and located in one of the most environmentally sensitive parts of the Caspian.

"If we look ahead, if demand grows at the rate it did in 1998-99, then we are going to hit supply constraints," says Dr Mabro.

Meanwhile, oil company investment is running at record lows, though starting to pick up now - 20 per cent this year according to BP's chief economist, Peter Davies. Analysts at Lehman Brothers say it is nearer 15 per cent.

Davies does not follow the Simmons line and said so last week. He says BP for one will continue to plan ahead based on historic oil price averages. For new projects this means around $14 per barrel, a figure that even new developments in the high price North Sea, such as Clair, are expected to make money.

""The consensus, and the company view, is that today's prices are not sustainable long-term."

Davies points out that the leading oil majors still have unfinished business in terms of completing the huge mergers that have dominated the world energy stage these two years past. He dismisses as a myth the generally held view that the 1999 recovery of oil prices was behind the super-majors committing more funds to growth. "This is not driven by prices and in most cases not even by cash flow. Instead, it reflects a move to a growth agenda."

If that is the case, then why was investment all but scrapped during the 97-99 slump?

Only time will tell who is right about what the future holds.

However, Simmons is no fool. He is one of the few people who seems genuinely able to make sense of the immensely complex global energy equation.

Jeremy Cresswell
Tuesday, 21st November 2000
The Scotsman





Hi-Hat (11/25/00; 06:24:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 42156)
DaveC...........Petition The Lord With Prayer
We have indentured you by stripping you of your sustenance,
and taxing away your posterity, under the guise of paying
your fair share.

Cavan Man (11/25/00; 06:14:42MT - usagold.com msg#: 42155)
Galearis 42149
Someone should put their new President in touch with "Another".

A silver standard for Mexico would seem to make a great deal of sense but, don't think they'll be going there. Perhaps they are talking about it though. You'd think all would.

Great link. Thanks.

DaveC (11/25/2000; 5:19:05MT - usagold.com msg#: 42154)
Senate Prayer
SENATE PRAYER
Thought you might enjoy this interesting prayer given in Kansas at the opening session of their Senate. It seems prayer still upsets some people.
When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask Your forgiveness and to seek Your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, "Woe to those who call evil good" but that is exactly what we have done.
We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We confess that.
We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it Pluralism;
We have worshiped other gods and called it multiculturalism;
We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle;
We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery;
We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare;
We have killed our unborn and called it choice;
We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable;
We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem;
We have abused power and called it politics;
We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition;
We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;
We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will, and we ask it in the name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen"
The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in protest. In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those
calls responding negatively. The church is now receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India, Africa, and Korea.
Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on "The Rest of the Story" on the radio and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired.
With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called one nation under God.
If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends. "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything."



SteveH (11/25/2000; 5:13:26MT - usagold.com msg#: 42153)
HBM and RossL
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_00/klombies112700.html
Good read but even better charts. 1995 marked the divergence year.

snippet --

Gold is intriguing in that it is part money and part commodity. On a production basis it is less than one-fourth as important as live cattle yet small price movements have a significant impact on the course of world events. Why? Simply because around 85% of all the gold mined in the history of our world still exists in the form of coins, bullion, and jewelry. A relatively small percentage change in the price of an ounce of gold traded on a futures exchange can impact the valuation of over 100,000 tons of gold.

Is gold important? We believe so. Is it cheap? Let's start with this....



Black Blade (11/25/2000; 5:04:16MT - usagold.com msg#: 42152)
Petroleum going ballistic, government "Cooks the Books", and Man Induced Global Warming - Doubtful
Yesterday's shortened trading session didn't stop the rise in petroleum. The closing numbers are NY Crude up $0.24 at $35.40/bbl, and NG up $0.169 at $6.577 Mbtu. Gold rose slightly, up $0.60. It looks as if Clinton-Gore may have a legacy after all! The failed energy policy (or lack of) will come back to haunt the next administration. Petroleum is set to continue higher. The era of cheap energy is now over. It was fun, but now get ready for the inevitable rise in energy prices and the resultant inflationary period.

The Government appears to be "cooking the books" once again. A couple of months ago the Bureau of Economic Analysis revealed that the US consumer savings rate dropped to a record low, in negative territory at –0.2%! What's that you say? You thought that the rate went negative over a year ago? Of course it did, but that is where the magic of government statistics made all that was negative into all positive. They simply revised the method of how those numbers were tracked and tallied. Hey, it worked for calculating the PPI and CPI. But now if the numbers have gone negative even with the magic of government massaging the numbers, the question now is how bad off is the US consumer? Maybe they just need to make more revisions.

There has been a bit of discussion about the man made/man induced Global Warming myth again. Here is a tid bit that should be interesting. There are links between sunspot activity and economic activity that have been documented as far back as the 1720's. Every sunspot maximum this century has had a corresponding recession. Most of the time the recession begins when sunspots peak which is after the top in the stock market. In the current cycle, sunspots are approaching a peak and we have turned toward a bear market, although the wizards on Wall Street are eternal optimists and claim it is merely a severe correction…..Hmmm. History suggests that we should be heading into the early stages of a recession or depression within months. What does this have to do with Global Warming? Generally weather patterns have coincided with sunspot activity which are simply manifestations of coronal mass ejection's (solar flares) that at times intersect the Earth during it's orbit about the sun. "Out of Phase" collisions apparently upset electrical grids, knock out satellite communications, etc. and seem to correlate to climatic changes. Severe climatic changes can account for colder winters (i.e. Increased energy costs), and warmer summers (i.e. increased energy costs, drought, and famine). You know, just the minor details that have upset the economy over the past few hundred years or so.


ThaiGold (11/25/2000; 1:58:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 42151)
RePost: Current Real-Time Florida UnOfficial Vote Status
http://foxnews.com/elections/florida_recount_hand.html
http://foxnews.com/elections/florida_recount_hand.html

ThaiGold (11/25/2000; 1:23:32MT - usagold.com msg#: 42150)
Election Relief on the Horizon
... ReInventing the Wheels ... of "Justice" ...
Well, I for one, am thoroughly relieved that the Florida Fiasco
has now been put into the hands of those who can best solve
any problem with clarity and speed. Another "supreme" Court.

This time, ... the one that brought us Miranda; Gun Control;
Abortion Contortion; Prayerless Schools; and Nixon's Tapes.

If it can be said that, "An Honest Judge is an Honest Lawyer
assended to the Pinnacle of his Career", then it goes without
saying, that we are possibly in ...er.....good hands.

Speed is of the essence and they obviously know that. Having
quickly cleared their cluttered docket of mundane matters and
myriad capital appeals cases, they will hear this case forth-
with, in a mere forth-night. ... Next Friday, at their earliest.

And to be sure, will muddle thru it and reach a wisdomic error-
free unaminous 5-4 decision within days. Or weeks. Months.?.
Nomatter. I'm sure we will have a decision by January. .. 2004.
Hopefully, an intelligent logical decision. One free of Logic.

America. Where the Rule of Law is paramount. Superceded
only by the Rule of Dimple. So, let us consider ourselves
lucky. Indeed, for there are no tanks in the streets. Yet. We
may have a new concept: Instead of Wheels of Justice, we
have arrived at the threshold of Treadmills of Treason.

Take heart. If all else fails we can fallback upon the Legislative
branch. Branches. Branchees. Whatever. All Honest Lawyers.
Themselves, certainly at their Pinnacles. Or Pineapples.

If worse comes to worse, we might consider something radical
... like counting the ballots. Even the Military ones. Honestly.
But that probably wouldn't be "legal". Anymore. Somehow.

Bread and Circus's. ... Get your tickets early.

ThaiGold







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