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ARCHIVED DISCUSSION FROM 12/1/2001
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(Yesterday's Discussion.)

Black Blade (12/1/01; 23:36:13MT - usagold.com msg#: 66218)
The bitter taste of roast Enron
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1007161669931&call_page=TS_Business&call_pageid=968350072197&call_pagepath=Business/News&col=969048863851

Snippit:

COME, LET US peck the putrefying carcass of Enron Corp. Let us pluck the tastiest morsels that still cling to the Houston-based "energy giant," the company yesterday removed from the Dow Jones "Titans Index," the one expected to file for bankruptcy any minute, marking the biggest, fastest corporate collapse in North American history. (Old stock price: $89 U.S.; new stock price: 26 cents.)

Ah, here's something meaty. Arthur Andersen LLP, principal auditor to the company. Fees to scrutinize the pipeline company turned online energy trader in the year 2000: $25 million. That would be the payment for ensuring that the company's financial statements were prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Those would be the same financial statements that have been thrown out the window, redone and refiled, now weighted with hundreds of millions of dollars in vanishing earnings.

Yum. More flesh. Oh look! It's Arthur Andersen again. In addition to the $25 million, the Big Five accounting firm was paid $27 million in "Other Fees." Said "other fees" relate to "business process and risk management consulting [and]... due diligence procedures related to acquisitions or other activities." Etc.


Black Blade: Now Arthur Andersen LLP is under investigation for "cooking the books." The SEC wants to know what the hell Arthur Andersen LLP was doing when they should have been auditing the books. It appears that there was a conflict of interest or possibly some bribery involved for Arthur Andersen LLP to look the other way.


Black Blade (12/1/01; 23:16:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 66217)
Enron shows the dot-coms a thing or two
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/WireFeedRedirect/RT/D,D/20011130/wmath30?cf=GlobeInvestor/config&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&slug=wmath30&date=20011130&archive=rtgam

Snippit:

Enron was a true Old Economy titan, a stalwart member of the Dow Jones industrial average, a multibillion-dollar colossus with real, hard assets and $170-billion (U.S.) in sales. And yet, this former blue chip is on its way to joining Pets.com and the rest of the Internet all-stars on the trash heap of history. Years worth of financial statements called into question, its debt downgraded to junk-bond status, its stock slashed to pennies from over $80 earlier this year, Enron is expected to file for bankruptcy protection soon in one of the largest such cases in U.S. history - almost twice as large as Texaco, which went under in 1987. Enron is an example to others that corporate hubris and investor mania were by no means restricted to Internet startups.

If there is any overlap between Enron and the dozens of dot-com flameouts that have plunged earthward over the past year, it would be the fact that the Houston company was in some senses just as virtual an entity as Egghead.com - or, perhaps a better example: the hedge fund known as Long-Term Capital Management, which collapsed in a multibillion-dollar pile of debt and derivatives in 1998. Like LTCM, Enron's assets were primarily based on derivative contracts involving natural gas, electricity, and other commodities the energy giant had gotten into swapping, such as various metals, pulp and paper, water, and even spare Internet capacity.

Not unlike the Internet startups that so many investors ridiculed for their New Economy, "end of the business cycle" hubris, Enron also thought it was a different breed of company - one to which the normal rules of finance no longer applied. What started as a way of hedging natural gas deliveries became a virtual derivative-trading giant, with thousands of contracts and counter-contracts swapping everything from lumber and plastic to weather-related insurance risk and fibre-optic bandwidth. Adding off balance-sheet financing to the mix made the whole structure even more unstable, until the slightest disruption was enough to make it topple.


Black Blade: The derivatives game is a "virtual" minefield. We should expect to see more of this over the next few months as corporate earnings go from "cash to trash." The rumor is that they were involved in base and precious metals as well. Probably not enough to stir the PM markets. I understand that CB Gold loans may be cut back further in coming months. Perhaps that is why hedge funds like AngloGold and Barrick are in a panic and looking to snap up other miners. The world of exotic investments could be in for a rude "wake up call."


HopeingII (12/1/01; 22:37:42MT - usagold.com msg#: 66216)
CONTEST
$$$$$$268.50$$$$$$

Black Blade (12/01/01; 22:05:14MT - usagold.com msg#: 66215)
Waverider

Yep, the ducks are all plucked, cleaned, wrapped and lined up in the freezer. You could say that I got all my ducks in a row ;-)

Waverider (12/1/01; 21:41:01MT - usagold.com msg#: 66214)
The Meaning of Derivatives: Futures and Options
http://m1.mny.co.za/422567CB004DBB8F/UNID/DMKY-4QTJYM
This article is a good *educational read* for a *basic* understanding of derivatives and the causal relationship between the gold derivative market and the POG.
Snippit:
"The danger, and allure, of derivatives is that one can control an inordinate amount of the underlying asset with very little capital. This is a double edged sword. Small changes in the price of the underlying asset can create eye-popping profits or cause instant bankruptcy."

Black Blade: Very admirable, kudos - sounds like you've got all your ducks in order :)

Cheers,
Waverider

Buena Fe (12/1/01; 20:51:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 66213)
$$$$$$281.50$$$$$$
Dec 10th POG for physical = $587 (and accelerating)
Heee heee
paper is toast
(Buenos Aires street corner)

Max Rabbitz (12/1/01; 19:56:07MT - usagold.com msg#: 66212)
Gandalf the White
Correction!!!

My guess last night should read $$$$$300.00$$$$$$
not******300.00********

Got distracted by Maria and a few brews. Best keep those hobbits away from the brews.....Maria too.




BR549 (12/1/01; 19:16:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 66211)
Price Guessing Contest
$$$$$272.50$$$$$

Chicken man (12/1/01; 19:16:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 66210)
$$$$390$$$$$
.

Old Yeller (12/1/01; 19:12:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 66209)
Black Blade;pointing the finger at the usual suspects

IMO,proper credit(pun intended)for the recession must be given to it's true authors;Greenspan and the merry pranksters at the Federal Reserve.The reason the Fed was created was to take the money creation machine out of the hands of the easily swayed politicians.The bankers assured us that this was necessary for proper'stable monetary policy:wrong,total abject failure.

Now,when the finger of blame is being directed in various directions by differing groups with their own agendas(like the Fed),it becomes critically important to not let them get away with it again.No politician should wear the goat horns for this debacle,they are mere fringe players in the unfolding drama.That being said,Bush's remedies,including his dubious war aims,may just make him partially culpable in extending and amplifying the damage.



Flatlander (12/1/01; 18:32:56MT - usagold.com msg#: 66208)
$$$$$$$$$$$270.00$$$$$$$$$$



USAGOLD (12/1/01; 16:57:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 66207)
Contest. . . .ALL
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, when I said "50¢ increments" I meant full dollar or half-dollar guesses.

As such,

$675.50 OK

$675.00 OK

$675.10 Not OK

$675.25 Not OK

$675.60 Not OK

Etc.

If someone has guessed not rounding to dollar or half-dollar, you can make another guess, but to my knowledge only one was made outside the rule and it was corrected (which is OK).

Scarab (12/1/01; 15:30:22MT - usagold.com msg#: 66206)
contest
$$$$$$320.00$$$$$$$ABCANUCK

Black Blade (12/1/01; 15:15:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 66205)
Bush Recession?

I see that the Democrats have started spewing vomitous lies again. I during the presidential election I had predicted that George Bush or Al Gore would be remembered as the Herbert Hoover of our generation. It would not have mattered who was elected to the presidency. The recession was already locked in as early as March 2000 when the Internet and High Tech bubbles burst (in spite of some NBER bubble-headed academics). That was during the last year of the Bubba Clinton presidency. However, just as Herbert Hoover inherited an economic disaster, so too has George Bush.

Now the Democrats are calling this recession "The Bush Recession." It was inevitable as politicians are far from being the best and brightest that America has to offer. There are now Democrat Radio advertisements blaming George Bush for the deepening recession. Obviously there are hopes that the political seeds will be planted for the 2002 elections. It would not have mattered who was elected to the presidency whether it was George Bush, Al Gore, Harry Browne, Pat Buchanan, or Ross Perot. The result will be the same. There is no cure for the recession, it has to run its course.

This recession is going to be a gruesome affair as consumer and corporate debt are at record levels, corporate earnings are falling faster than lead balloons, and the "Bone Pile" grows at a furious pace. The Trolls, Pimps, and Pied Pipers of Wall Street are now screaming at the top of their lungs for Americans to buy, buy, buy…. It is somehow supposed to be patriotic to go into debt and be beholding to the banksters. Heck, just last month Goldman Sachs Pimp Abby Jo Cohen said that Enron shares were undervalued. Hmmm… All I can say is be careful, it's a jungle out there. In a word - "GRIM"

- Black Blade

Slayed some ducks this morning and now I'm off to slay more ducks!


Gandalf the White (12/1/01; 14:09:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 66204)
REPOST !! ( so one may see the timing of thoughts)
Gandalf the White (11/30/01; 22:02:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 66171)
UPDATE ------GC1Z Price Guessing Contest
Progress Report as of 11/30/01 21:30MT
------
USAGOLD (11/29/01; 19:37:04MT - usagold.com msg#: 66079)
HEAR YE! HEAR YE!! A POSTING CONTEST CALLING UPON YOUR MOST POWERFUL, WELL-HONED & ERUDITE SKILLS!! AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ONE. .
In addition to the posting contest, we will have a price guessing contest. Where gold will close on Friday, December 7th on the Comex -- the December contract. Each entry must be surrounded by $$$$$$ dollar signs as follows $$$$$30,000$$$$$. The winner -- he or she who comes closest to that closing price -- will receive a one tenth ounce Austrian Philharmonic.
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USAGOLD (11/29/01; 19:41:44MT - usagold.com msg#: 66080)
Contest!!
I neglected to put a close date on the price guessing contest. All entries must be posted by 5pm MST Tuesday, December 4th.
----
USAGOLD (11/29/01; 21:07:22MT - usagold.com msg#: 66096)
All. . .Contest!!
I have the good news that my far-seeing and wizardrous friend, Gandalf the White (who I predict will be starring in a movie real soon) will be monitoring the price guessing contest. Let's make the guesses in 50¢ increments.
====

Gandalf the White (12/1/01; 13:58:54MT - usagold.com msg#: 66203)
Darkhorse's comment
The "increments of 50 cents" guidance from MK may have been AFTER some of those "guesses", OR it may have been an "error" in judgment.
<;-(

darkhorse (12/1/01; 13:54:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 66202)
gold 7 dec closing contest
"Let's make the guesses in 50¢ increments."

I thought that meant on the dollar and half dollar...I see at least three that aren't....

RobotGuy (12/1/01; 13:45:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 66201)
OOPS I'm Sorry, increments of $.50 (Wasn't Paying Attention)
$$$$$278.00$$$$$

RobotGuy (12/1/01; 13:31:55MT - usagold.com msg#: 66200)
Just whining,.. feel I must.
Hello There!I am a crazy canuck, that's right, one of your northern neighbors. I have been studying posts in this forum for quite some time now (lurking about), and I must say that I am very pleased with the various viewpoints presented in this forum. I must also commend various posters on their literary skills, some posts are quite poetic and thought provoking. I am also very pleased that I have been granted the opportunity to perhaps share a few ideas of my own, although I do not posses the economic background to the same degree as most of you do.
I really want to buy some gold Maple Leafs (1 oz) somewhere between $10,000 and $30,000 worth as my method of stability in investment form. What I find really frustrating is/are:

1) The value of the canadian dollar
2) The accessibility of the precious metal
3) The terrible markup of the coin over POG

It seems everyone feels you should have to pay so much for your gold, that if the value of it increases, you're certain not to make any gains. Sorry I must subject you to my perils, but I thought some of you might appreciate the frustration I'm experiencing here.

OH YES, I ALMOST FORGOT $$$$$$277.75$$$$$$ (Optimistic)

Shermag (12/1/01; 13:30:47MT - usagold.com msg#: 66199)
Price Contest
$$$$$$$279.00$$$$$$$

slingshot (12/1/01; 13:02:04MT - usagold.com msg#: 66198)
contest
$$$$$$288.50$$$$$

USAGOLD (12/1/01; 11:31:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 66197)
HEAR YE! HEAR YE!! A POSTING CONTEST CALLING UPON YOUR MOST POWERFUL, WELL-HONED & ERUDITE SKILLS!! AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ONE. . . . . . .
You know what, Dark horse, I've been thinking what you've been thinking.

We're due for a contest and it would be productive to tap the collective wisdom around this noble Table. I agree.

But how to break the psychic dam and get the ideas to flow?

Nothing like a challenge to match the quality of the poster and lurkers present. This idea came to me while having
lunch today and browsing over the latest GRANT’S Interest Rate Observer. It seems that one of James Grant's
friends -- a fellow named Paul L. Kasreil who does economic research for Northern Trust Co. -- posed a most
far-reaching question. One that is making the rounds among people who talk markets as well as those who enjoy the
same as a worthy pre-occupation.

The question is this:

------------------------------------ Alan Greenspan: Maestro or Music Man? ----------------------------

The book, "Maestro", was the subject of a great deal of conversation here when it came out several months ago and
opinion was pretty much divided on it -- some thought it characterized a master at the peak of his powers. Others
saw it as a whitewash of a Fed chairman who simply injected liquidity willy-nilly at a time when the world had no
where to turn but the dollar. Some called him genius. Others called him lucky. Still others called him confused --
pumping money into the system at one turn and deriding "irrational exuberance" the next.

But Maestro or Music Man?? Now that's intriguing, and very much worth a contest.

For those of you scratching your head at the choice, I will remind you that The Music Man, one of America's
favorite all-time musicals, is the story of band director/con artist. The following from famed critic, Clifford Ridley
captures the Music Man for our purposes:

"Bierko is a younger Hill than Preston, yet with his slicked-back hair, his self- dramatizing gestures and his roving
eyes constantly scouting for trouble, he's every inch the two-bit con man. As advertised, he delivers Hill's fervid
patter with dash and musicality; and at the end, when he's unmasked by the unconditional love of a good woman,
he's quite touching. And he has a splendid foil in Luker, who sings Marian's arching melodies in a limpid soprano
and persuasively metamorphoses from chilly skeptic to loving co-conspirator. She also has a fine way of saying
"Ssssh" - an admonition, fortunately, that this ebullient production mostly ignores."

And then here's a passage from the preface to Bob Woodward's "Maestro" which more than adequately captures the
essence of the Maestro side of the coin:

"Greenspan is slated to remain chairman of the Federal Reserve until 2004. Not only is he a major figure in the
world's economic past, he is central to its future. He has been frank enough to stand before the new and amazing
economic circumstances that he helped create and in the end declare them a mystery. It is impossible to account fully
for the continuing high growth, record employment, low inflation and high stock market."

And, toward the end of this important book:

"Greenspan also represents something more than the confidence wing of the American Personality. He stands at the
point where the country's eternal optimism meets the country's abiding suspicion that something will go wrong. . .
That fear also creates a kind of excitement and anticipation.Greenspan stands at the crossroads of optimisim and
pessimism. Each of us is a character in the nation's great economic soap opera; Greenspan is both director and
producer."

So, the question before the table is this:

***** "Alan Greenspan, Maestro or Music Man?" *****

Lovable Con-Man or Brilliant Fed Chairman?

I will leave with another thought of Mr. Kasreil -- as I think the computer cannot be taken out of the present
equation without missing a major part of the analysis:

"Economics how do we measure that? Well, I can tell you there has been a very increase in productivity, at least at
my shop. When I joined the Northern Trust over 15 years ago, it took three senior economists and three research
assistants about two weeks to come out with an inaccurate economic forecast, and with this laptop, I can do it all by
myself in one day."

The world, I know, is not spinning any faster than it used to be but who among us would deny that it is. . . . . . . .
.So Maestro or Music? You be the judge.

Each entry must address the question in sufficient length but no more than is absolutely necessary to make the point
-- the eternal bane of the writer. An appropriate link is acceptable. The contest will be judged not on the choice you
make but on the erudition and argumentative skills used to make your case. Please surround your entry with stars as
shown. The winner will get a lucky French Angel gold coin -- the one they say Napoleon carried throughout his
campaigns until he lost it . . . . .the day before Waterloo. As Darkhorse suggests the entry-post must also include
some reference as to what the future might bring by the end of the year (for posterity's sake). As always, the post
must conclude with how all of this relates to gold and gold ownership -- and it is there that the worm turns, where
the contest will decided. The runners up -- two of them -- will receive a Mexican Azteca silver coin.

First time posters will receive a one-ounce U.S. Silver Eagle but in order to claim the price you must indicate that
you are a first-time poster with Jill Snyder (jill@usagold.com). The post must be an entry into the main contest --
"Alan Greenspan, Maestro or Music Man." First time posts in the price guessing contest (see below) do not count
toward the Silver Eage Prize. Pls include your current mailing address.

The posting contest will go from this moment through Sunday, December 9, 2001 when midnight graces the purple
mountain majesties.

* * * * * * * * * * *

In addition to the posting contest, we will have a price guessing contest. Where gold will close on Friday,
December 7th on the Comex -- the December contract. Each entry must be surrounded by $$$$$$ dollar signs as
follows $$$$$30,000$$$$$. All entries must be posted by 5pm MST Tuesday, December 4th.
The winner -- he or she who comes closest to that closing price -- will receive a one
tenth ounce Austrian Philharmonic.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

Good luck all. May the best poster win.

Artie Farkle (12/1/01; 11:04:03MT - usagold.com msg#: 66196)
contest
$$$$$278.00$$$$$

Gandalf the White (12/1/01; 10:41:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 66195)
UPDATE ------GC1Z Price Guessing Contest
Progress Report as of 12/1/01 10:30MT
------
MK says: HEAR YE! HEAR YE!! --we will have a price guessing contest. Where gold will close on Friday, December 7th on the Comex. Each entry must be surrounded by $$$$$$ dollar signs as follows $$$$$30,000$$$$$. The winner will receive a one tenth ounce Austrian Philharmonic. Let's make the guesses in 50¢ increments. All entries must be posted by 5pm MST Tuesday, December 4th.
====
$$$$$350.00$$$$$sourdough (12/1/01; 09:28:15MT
*****300.00*****Max Rabbitz (11/30/01; 20:07:20MT
$$$$$$296.50$$$$$$tedw (11/30/01; 19:50:42MT
$$$$$296.00$$$$$THX-1138 (12/1/01; 00:31:32
$$$$$ $292.50 $$$$$darkhorse (11/30/01; 18:48:35MT
$$$$$289.50$$$$$goldquest (11/30/01; 23:12:21MT
$$$$$287.75$$$$$Hydro (11/30/01; 20:53:23MT
$$$$$282.50$$$$$ uponroof (11/30/01; 20:57:34MT
$$$$$ 281.00 $$$$$VanRip (11/30/01; 21:05:14MT
$$$$$$$280.50$$$$$$Solomon Weaver (11/30/01; 23:03:28MT
$$$$$$279.50$$$$$$The CoinGuy (11/29/01; 21:48:53MT
$$$$$$ 278.50 $$$$$$Broken Tee (11/30/01; 10:52:21MT
$$$$$277.5$$$$$Gandalf the White (11/29/01; 20:17:49MT
$$$$$277.00$$$$$Waverider (11/30/01; 01:23:24MT
$$$$$$276.60$$$$$$wiley (11/29/01; 22:47:01MT
$$$$$$$276.50$$$$$$$goldenpeace (11/30/01; 04:45:06MT
$$$$$276.00$$$$$ cwa (11/29/01; 21:29:00MT
$$$$$275.50$$$$$Ducat (12/01/01; 07:48:39MT
$$$$$$ 275.00 $$$$$$ Gimli_ (11/29/01; 22:00:38MT
$$$$$274.50$$$$$Black Blade (11/29/01; 21:54:25MT
$$$$$$274.00$$$$$mikal (11/30/01; 22:54:23MT
$$$$$$ 273.50 $$$$$$$ Christian (11/30/01; 06:41:42MT
$$$$$$$$$$273.00$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Canuck (12/01/01; 09:00:56MT $$$$$272.50$$$$$Mythical (11/30/01; 18:08:12MT
$$$$$ 272.00 $$$$$Henri (11/30/01; 11:44:46MT
$$$$ 271.50 $$$$ Argent (12/1/01; 10:16:21MT
====
TickTock, Go HIGH or Go LOW, but go !
<;-)


Waverider (12/1/01; 10:41:22MT - usagold.com msg#: 66194)
Argentina to Dollarize Peso Deposits
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/headlines/financial/20011201/390432.html
Snipppit:

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (Reuters) - Argentina will convert peso bank deposits into dollars and temporarily limit cash withdrawals, a top official told local radio on Saturday amid fears of a run on banks by nervous savers.

"There is a restriction on the use of cash," Cabinet Chief Chrystian Colombo said. "You can't take out more than $1,000 in cash."

"The government has made these decisions so that the people can truly feel secure that their money is in the bank and that, in accordance with the law, that money is untouchable and that money, in accordance with the law of convertibility, is being transferred immediately into dollars in order to ensure all citizens that have fixed term deposits that their savings are secure," Colombo said.

Waverider: Faith in the government...swallow their line of BS...believe that black is white and white is black, and... you too can feel "secure".

mikal (12/1/01; 10:21:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 66193)
POG- "Price" of Gold
The PTB are capping POG, preventing war, terrorist, and economic jitters from triggering a safe haven buying deluge, that would grow into a tidal surge, breaching their puny fortifications on their manure island. They have instructed the PPT to prop the DOW and other indices. They have encouraged Americans to borrow against their belongings, max out credit lines, and hold stocks for "next years recovery". They are parading mistletoe attired celebrities, entertainers, politicians, and pastors as merry and patriotic spokespeople for the "American Way" and "Christmas Spirit". They may wish to insure that the most profitable retail month is not a bust.

Argent (12/1/01; 10:16:21MT - usagold.com msg#: 66192)
Waverider (msg#: 66172) Musings....

You are more than welcome and I am glad you enjoyed it. I hope to find more interesting and enlightening information to bring back to the forum in the future as close to and on topic as possible. This neophyte, as well, is searching for truth on a very rocky path, which is not always about PMs or the economy. At the end of this yellow brick road, I know we will all find what we have been looking for, however slippery the slope may have been.

Good luck to all and be well.
____________________________________________

$$$$ 271.50 $$$$


The CoinGuy (12/1/01; 10:07:02MT - usagold.com msg#: 66191)
#66183...This is Why I Left this Board the First Time...
Beyond that statement, I just can't be civil. So I will stop here.

Have a good weekend all,

TheCoinGuy

mikal (12/1/01; 09:45:01MT - usagold.com msg#: 66190)
@Horatio
I agree with your post. I feel their is too much European opposition to further Middle East intervention, for US bombingto spread outside Afganistan. Unless, as you point out, their is a Mossad hit (or CIA, KGB, MJ12, etc.)

sourdough (12/1/01; 09:31:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 66189)
(No Subject)
Whoops, just heard it`s a princess. congrats to the family

da2g (12/1/01; 09:29:11MT - usagold.com msg#: 66188)
News and Views
Michael:

I received the latest quarterly News and Views yesterday, and put a dent in it last evening. Professional presentation and quality content. My hat is off to you.

Thanks.

sourdough (12/1/01; 09:28:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 66187)
CONTEST
CONTEST
$$$$$350.00$$$$$

Cause for price rise.
A royal prince will will be born in Japan.
The government will announce the minting of a commemerative gold coin to celebrate the first male born since 1965 in the worlds oldest monarchy.
The coin will be available to all Japanese citizens at the equivalent of $300 u.s. an ounce.
Best wishes for the princess.
(one can hope, but likely another failed opportunity to move 70 million ounces)

tedw (12/1/01; 09:20:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 66186)
Horatio
What does your post have to do with Gold?

No reasonable person can doubt that the suicide bombers attacking Isreal are terrorists?

Amd a reasonable person could wonder whether or not you are
an Anti-semite, judging from your comments. Or even a Jew hater.


Canuck (12/01/01; 09:00:56MT - usagold.com msg#: 66185)
@ Gandalf
$$$$$$$$$$273.00$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ducat (12/01/01; 07:48:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 66184)
Price Guessing Contest
$$$$$275.50$$$$$

Horatio (12/1/01; 01:07:06MT - usagold.com msg#: 66183)
Israel
Danger...for U.S. in Israel
Israel is trying to get the U.S.to open the next terrorist front in Israel occupied territory.
They are trying to get the U.S. troops to do thier fighting for them.We are getting sucked in if we do this.
Sharon needs to go home and shut his big fat mouth.
It woulden't surprise me if a U.S. representative would get killed there as a justification to suck us in.

THX-1138 (12/1/01; 00:31:32MT - usagold.com msg#: 66182)
Price guessing contest
$$$$$296.00$$$$$

Waverider (12/1/01; 00:08:21MT - usagold.com msg#: 66181)
Solomon Weaver
Thanks - great bedtime reading! Sweet dreams all.
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