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ARCHIVED DISCUSSION FROM 1/11/2006 All times are U.S. Mountain Time (Yesterday's Discussion.) YGM (1/11/06; 23:51:41MT - usagold.com msg#: 140379) Goldilox.. But to really track an investment banker's involvement You also have to know what their (Banks) loan involvement, advisory capacity is with the miners in question and the position the banker holds in Gold futures market. They hold leverage with loans (and are financial advisers) and can force or convince the miner to forward sell which is needed by the banker to depress Gold prices. ie; Goldman Sucks and Ashanti. Very muddy waters and very big conflicts of interest and VERY big money involved in these games played. Gandalf the White (1/11/06; 21:53:21MT - usagold.com msg#: 140378) OOPS -- The US$ is at a ---CRITICAL --- level AGAIN !! <;-) http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX Watch that 88.78 level !!!The NEXT waterfall is going to be BEAUTIFUL for the YELLOW !GO SPIKE, JUMP.<;-) Goldilox (1/11/06; 20:01:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 140377) JPM @ Golden Lionheart,If what you're watching is the retail trading scene, your observations may still be good news. But to really track an investment banker's involvement, you need to know about the warrants held against loans, and the amount of float they received for client sales if they participated in the IPO, etc.The daily volume is often just the tip of the iceberg, especially for companies that are getting additional financing with secondary offerings and such.If they hold a lot of warrants, the trick is to run up the price, and then sell the warrants at a profit, all the while looking like an accumulator at Level II. Golden Lionheart (1/11/06; 17:54:05MT - usagold.com msg#: 140376) J P Morgan but with J P Morgan I mainly see buying and holding.............. Flatliner (1/11/06; 17:41:35MT - usagold.com msg#: 140375) @Golden Lionheart http://www.thesanitycheck.com/ Looks like the bobosrevenge.blogspot.com site now points to the link above. If you're suspicious of the "pump and dump" comment, give this site a read regarding naked short selling. Enjoy. (Maybe, see also: http://www.bobosrevenge.blogspot.com/) Goldilox (1/11/06; 16:43:12MT - usagold.com msg#: 140374) JPM @ golden lionheart,Astute observation, but if you'd been following a few more inside tracks, you'd find that the "bankster boyz" are all playing "pump and dump" with the gold miners.Puplava discusses it ad nauseum. I often wonder why he plays gold stocks if it irritates him so much. Goldilox (1/11/06; 16:39:58MT - usagold.com msg#: 140373) Exponential Oil curve @ Flatliner, Why not? The dollar/debt curve is an almost textbook hyperbola. Just who's driving this bus?The geniuses on CNBC today were remarking that any disruption in Iranian oil flow to Europe would result in a greater than $10 pop in Lt Sweet."No schweet, Sherock!" They made it sound astounding, when it's probably a very conservative estimate. Golden Lionheart (1/11/06; 16:34:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 140372) J P Morgan and Affiliates I don't really follow the GATA story closely but I seem to recall that they see J P Morgan as one of the villians.It is therefore interesting to see that J P Morgan Nomineees or J P Morgan Chase Company feature in the top 20 shareholder lists of many of the Australian gold producers and emerging gold companies.To quote an example J P Morgan Chase has just raised its stake in a company in the State of Victoria to 8%. To my simple mind this seems to indicate that Morgans anticipate a rise in the price of gold.Any thoughts/comments? Flatliner (1/11/06; 14:41:29MT - usagold.com msg#: 140371) Eerie feeling http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_CL.G06&v=dmax Does anyone else see an exponential curve in this graph for Crude Oil? If that curve holds, one might expect 85-90 buck chuck in a few months.The graph for Natural Gas (http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_NG.G06&v=dmax) looks like it's just come down to a more linear looking graph.Don't commodities prices look like this during hyperinflationary times? Does anyone have graphs for things like coffee, sugar and other imports to the US? canamami (1/11/06; 14:37:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 140370) Fascinating speech - US trade objectives mid-20th century http://www.empireclubfoundation.com/details.asp?SpeechID=1112 This is an excerpt from a speech given by Solon Low, then leader of the national Social Credit Party, to the Empire Club in Toronto in 1947. Low is basically forgotten today. Anyway, the oldtimers will find this excerpt fascinating (Shades of China today?):"Now there are certain countries which for some years have been carrying on a very aggressive policy of foreign trade and investment. They have insisted upon favorable balances of exports over imports, and upon leaving these balances for investment in the countries to which they have sent their goods. By way of example, Canada has had difficulty in the past in balancing her payments with the U.S.A. whilst on the other hand we have had a surplus account with other nations. This has been mainly because the U.S.A. refuses to accept imports of Canadian goods sufficient to pay for her exports to Canada. This same policy the United States has insisted upon following with Britain, and some other parts of the Commonwealth. During recent years the United States has attempted to force upon all nations who would trade with her, a most-favored-nation-clause in her trade agreements. The strict application of this clause in her trade relations with Japan was unquestionably one of the important factors which goaded that country into preparing for and declaring war on the United States. The "most-favored-nation" clause is enemy number one of the British Commonwealth today. Just why do I make that assertion? Let me illustrate the answer by quoting from Ludwell Denny's "America Conquers Britain", page 407: "We were Britain's colony once. She will be our colony before she is done; not in name, but in fact . . . We shall not make Britain's mistake. Too wise to try to govern the world, we shall merely own it. Nothing can stop us. Nothing until our financial empire rots at its heart, as empires have a way of doing. If Britain is foolish enough to fight us, she will go down more quickly, that is all . . . Our weapons are money and machines. The other nations of the world want money and machines. Our materialism, though not power, is not matched by theirs. That is why our conquest is so easy, so inevitable." There you have the point-of-view of the powerful interests who would destroy Britain and the Commonwealth by the force of trade weapons. How do they propose to do it? They have already gone far in their conquest. Nations of great productive potential, whose goods Britain and Canada and others need to keep up a standard of living, have refused to balance their trade with us by accepting our goods in payment for those they export to us. They have left their favorable balances in our countries for investment in industry and resources, with the result that a very substantial percentage of Canadian and British industry is owned and/or controlled by foreign interests, and consequently our economies among other disabilities, must bear the strain of all the evils of increasing debtor relationship. It is not beyond possibility that what Mr. Denny has forecast, the complete industrial conquest of Britain, will become reality unless world trade policies undergo immediate and radical change. " USAGOLD Daily Market Report (1/11/06; 14:14:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 140369) Page Update! http://www.usagold.com/DailyQuotes.htmlThe Daily Gold Market Report has been updated.If you are considering investments in gold we invite you to request our free introductory information packet detailing the products and services offered by USAGOLD ~ Centennial Precious Metals. We welcome your inquiry and look forward to working with you.WEDNESDAY Market ExcerptsJanuary 11 (from MarketWatch) -- Gold futures closed higher Wednesday, extending their gains above $550 an ounce as sentiment on the metal continued to be upbeat amid strong physical and investment demand.COMEX February contracts closed up $4.40 at $550.10, after trading as low as $543.70 and as high as $550.80."Expectations for strong demand out of China and other major emerging economies, such as India, coupled with supply constraints and Middle East geopolitical concerns (Iran nuclear concerns and Israeli prime minister issue) has fed medium-term bullish sentiment," said Action Economics.In the past week, gold has found support from a weaker dollar after China said it is considering diversifying its $800 billion of foreign reserves.Many analysts predict that China will switch part of its reserves into gold, not just into other currencies.---(see url for full news, 24-hr newswire, market quotes)--- USAGOLD / Centennial Precious Metals, Inc. 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