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ARCHIVED DISCUSSION FROM 8/23/2001 All times are U.S. Mountain Time (Yesterday's Discussion.) Netking (08/23/01; 22:15:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 60184) Satellites search for Noah's Ark http://www.msnbc.com/news/618351.asp?cp1=1#BODY Slightly off topic, but a golden story nevertheless:Military and private satellite snapshots of Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey reveal an anomaly that researchers say might be the remains of Noah's Ark. A soon-to-be-launched commercial spacecraft will focus powerful cameras on the mysterious mountainside oddity to help unravel its true nature . . . Black Blade (08/23/01; 21:39:48MT - usagold.com msg#: 60183) Asia in the Red http://quote.yahoo.com/m2?u The Nikkei and Hang Seng are running neck and neck in a race to sub 10,000. Rumors persist that a couple of Japanese banks are in deep trouble and that the Japanese government is back in the market again purchasing equities. If so, it has been a dismal failure. Black Blade (08/23/01; 21:33:12MT - usagold.com msg#: 60182) Oil Prices Jump on Midwest Refinery Woes http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010823/bs/markets_energy_dc_3.html Snippit:NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. crude oil prices pushed higher on Thursday as troubles mounted at domestic refineries, especially in the supply-starved midcontinent region. Prices rallied late in the session after Citgo said it expects a fire-damaged 160,000 barrel per day crude unit at its Lemont, Illinois, refinery to be out of service for nearly six months following a shutdown August 14. The Lemont plant's outage has sparked fuel supply concerns in the Midwest, a region already suffering from low inventories of gasoline and agricultural diesel ahead of the autumn harvest. U.S. supply has also been tightened by plant problems in the Gulf Coast refining center, while U.S. and Canadian refiners are also heading into a busy round of autumn maintenance work.Black Blade: Refinery problems are creeping up again. We are almost at the time where refineries get into their maintenance season prior to the switch over to reformulated boutique fuels and gear up for heating oil. The infrastructure problems also still persist. Could get "interesting" with rising fuel prices like last year. The Grasshoppers will start to whine again. uponroof (08/23/01; 21:07:05MT - usagold.com msg#: 60181) GOLD!/GATA GOLD!A touch of eternal wealth tonight as Mr Jones, searching for the 'Arc of the Covenant' displayed how God (his servants) used gold to house His most precious earthly treasure, the ten commandments.....nice to know God thinks a lot of gold also. Watch out for tommorrow night.......the connection between man's paper and gold is the subject. If we are to be ambushed, this will be the place (I did not like the smile on Mr George Milling-Stanley, of the World Gold Council, face). Then again we may be surprised and watch them point out that gold never loses all value, while fiat quite often does.***********************************************************Hathaway is a great ambassador for gold as is his up 11% Tocqueville Gold Fund. He is a major connection to the now floundering mainstream equities investor. Good job Fox! BTW-We have come one heck of a long way in a very short time thanks to GATA getting the word out. I believe the shift came after the South African conference...the momentum has never stopped. When mainstream, wire rim, Tv worthy guys like Hathaway start repeating the 'wild GATA accusations' you know it can't be long. The cartel better have one hell of a secret weapon up their dirty sleeve to stop 'the herd' cause the standard procedure won't survive much longer. BR549 (08/23/01; 20:42:06MT - usagold.com msg#: 60180) Rep. Gary Sleezezoid—"Ahhh never had sex with that woman" yeah! Right! Chris Powell (08/23/01; 20:24:26MT - usagold.com msg#: 60179) Fox News interview with John Hathaway of the Tocqueville Gold Fund http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/867 Amazing -- a gold guy on a TV network.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/867To subscribe to GATA's dispatches by email and get them immediately so you don't have to go look for them, send an email to:gata-subscribe@yahoogroups.com R Powell (08/23/01; 20:02:55MT - usagold.com msg#: 60178) History channel tomorrow night will, according to Roger Mudd, examine gold as the "universal currency of wealth and power". Netking, I'm still making my way through the World Silver Survey 2001. I'll have some info this weekend. Rich BR549 (08/23/01; 20:00:48MT - usagold.com msg#: 60177) GOLD! Carter first looking into King Tut's tomb at a mound of gold artifacts for the first time. Talk about your heart skipping a beat. I stood in line for three hours to see this exhibition in Washington, D.C. when the Egyptians let the U$ borrow it for a few months. One of the most beautiful sites that I ever seen.In the--- yeah! Right! Department:Tut's curse, not a real curse but a fungus that incubated inside the tomb for centuries—yeah Right!Mel Fisher kids, the next generation, diving on the ocean floor for chests of Greenbacks and Euro's-- yeah! Right!Mel offering 35% of the discovery to the Government of the U$ as compensation for his treasure discoveries, the greed of the Federal Government wanting it all, and The Supreme Court ruling that Mel gets it all—A true YES!!! RIGHT!! Tomorrow night-Gold as the universal currency! Cavan Man (08/23/01; 19:21:50MT - usagold.com msg#: 60176) Many thanks Black Blade I think it is even better than you have hinted. Chris Powell (08/23/01; 19:18:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 60175) Tocqueville Fund's Hathaway realizes that GATA is right http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/866 A new essay by the respected gold fund managerand market analyst.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gata/message/866To subscribe to GATA's dispatches by email and get them immediately so you don't have to go look for them, send an email to:gata-subscribe@yahoogroups.com BR549 (08/23/01; 19:00:17MT - usagold.com msg#: 60174) GOLD! Now uponroof (msg#: 60172)Another great post! When Jim Rodgers left CNBC to travel, GE Jack's PR Machine lost a great deal of merit. I only want a mere 10% for using those winning 549 combo's. Good Luck!! I hope someone here wins.GOLD! Now on the History Channel.Followed by the Rep. Gary Sleezezoid hitting Connie's softballs out of the park. Netking (08/23/01; 18:43:38MT - usagold.com msg#: 60173) Rich. - WSS Report How's the reading of the WSS report going, what's your perspective towards the market thus far?I think timing wise that the last three months of this year are looing good. - Cheers Murray uponroof (08/23/01; 18:41:44MT - usagold.com msg#: 60172) Jim Rogers http://www.jimrogers.com/ Good Evenin all,Just check in with Jim Rogers to see where in the world he is now. Well he's down in Argentina at the end of the Pan American Highway. This 'little road' starts in Alaska and ends at the southern tip of Argentina. A nice road to travel if you have some time to enjoy life. Rogers has a special Mercedes Benz and trailer that he is taking around the world (see photo). Jim Rogers is famous for his advice which has made many fortunes. One of his rules is to "do the opposite of what Central Banks do". Jim is an outspoken hard money advocate. Below is a bit from his home site (not the one above) which reads like it was authored at USAGOLD.What is Money?No. Pulling that green stuff out of your pocket doesn't do it. Ask yourself why is it money? Will it always be money? Remember, that green stuff is fiat paper currency. (Fiat: command, decree, order) And, no fiat paper currency in history has ever NOT become worthless. Has ever NOT constantly decreased in value relative to something that has intrinsic value like land, gold, etc. Many people take money for granted. But if you nail down exactly what it is and how it works, it can really pay off in the long run. For money to work it needs three essential elements. It has to be a unit of measure. Money measures the value of something, whether it is tangible or intangible. Like a yard stick measures the length of something. It has to be a medium of exchange. Something most people will accept in return for something they just gave. It makes the division of labor far more practical. What does a mechanical contractor have that he couldexchange on a weekly basis that you would readily accept in return for labor if a medium of exchange did not exist?It has to be a store of value. The cash in your pocket is a means of storing value or purchasing power temporarily. The same holds true of the cash or purchasing power that you store for a longer period in a checking account or even longer in a savings account.Your politicians, now a days, take on financial obligations that they know they don't have money for. When the bill comes due, they simply create money out of thin air. It's money that is not backed by anything. The total value of goods and services in the economy did not increase. Yet, there is now more money in circulation. There is now more dollars chasing the same amount of goods and services. The price of them simply goes up. This is another way that your government takes purchasing power or stored value (property) from you. It's not so much how many dollars you have, but, how much they buy. What your store of value's purchasing power is. Remember, at one point in the history of the US, before the government really got into the money game, back when the Federal Reserve Bank was held to be unconstitutional, (February 1870 The US Supreme Court, in its decision in Hepburn v. Griswold, declared the legal tender laws unconstitutional under Fifth Amendment protections against the taking of property without just compensation.) stored money actually increased in value. A central bank is a government's mechanism for creating money that is not backed by anything. Just like today's copying machines are the mechanisms that counterfeiters use to create money that is not backed by anything.Politicians know that there is a limit to how fast they can raise tax rates. They also know the more they borrow in the debt markets(markets for bills, notes and bonds) the higher the rate of interest they have to pay. And, the less they have to spend on other programs. They only have one means left to come up with more money. In this country, the Federal Reserve Bank. They simply order the bureaucrats at the "Fed" to "make" money. How they do it is a bit convoluted but they get the job done.How can they get away with this? Because they know that most of their constituents do not know what money is, nor the implications of the type of money(fiat paper currency) that they use. Therefore their constituents can not know what inflation is let alone what the cause or causes are. Serious inflation is caused by politicians and their bureaucrats. And, serious inflation causes major economic downturns. Politicians and politico/bureaucrats simply blamesomething else; and get away with it.When your politicians and bureaucrats "make" too much money: They decrease the length of your yardstick, but still call it a yard. They decrease the acceptance of your dollars as a medium of exchange. This usually increases interest rates and decreases economic activity. They decrease the amount of value, purchasing power, you had stored in your dollars. This is the arbitrary, and for many people unseen, taking of your property without your consent and without compensation.Non elected bureaucrats at the Fed and Treasury are hired to decide how much and when. This is the reason nations have heavily regulated banking systems and government central banks. The "Fed" is relatively new. Created in 1913.Counterfeiting is illegal because it devalues existing dollars. It takes value(your property) that you have stored in them away from you without your consent and without compensation. It is also illegal because politicians are in the same business and do not want competition. They wrote the rules to the game so that they have little competition. Still, politicians. and counterfeiters directly competewith each other.end-(sorry for the length)BR549-One of my men is traveling down Rt 202 tonight to Delaware where powerball machines are smokin like Greenspans printing presses. He's got 100 FRN's of mine to buy my tix. Told him 549 combos and autos. Good Luck all!GOLD! on soon. Black Blade (08/23/01; 18:40:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 60171) Lucent details layoff plans http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010823/tc/lucent_details_layoff_plans_1.html Snippit:The telecommunications-equipment maker plans to reduce its work force by half--that's 17,000 jobs--by March 2002. Telecommunications-equipment maker Lucent Technologies specified plans Thursday to reduce the company's work force by half. In a presentation to Wall Street analysts, the company clarified its previously announced layoff plans and said it will remove 17,000 more workers on top of the 10,500 workers already laid off and the 8,500 who chose to take early retirement.Of the 17,000 on the chopping block, the company will cut 5,000 outsourced jobs and the remaining cuts will come from inside the company, which will bring to company's total headcount to between 57,000 and 62,000 by March of next year. Lucent finished the year 2000 with 123,000 employees. Included in the total cuts are the 17,000 employees from its spun-off Agere unit and 6,000 employees of its optical fiber unit, which was sold to Furukawa Electric and Corning for $2.75 billion. Lucent partially spun off Agere in an IPO last March and plans to spin off all of its 80 percent stake in the optical components maker by March of 2002. Black Blade: The Bodies are piling up faster and faster! The "Bone Pile" is so high that one needs wings to keep above it. This is not a healthy economy by any standard. Get PMs, get basic necessities, and get out of debt. There will be no mercy when the ax man shows up and everyone is looking out for number one. R Powell (08/23/01; 18:39:09MT - usagold.com msg#: 60170) Black Blade/Old Yeller Thanks for the n.g. information. It seems that n.g. can be added to the list of others that lacks good, reliable numbers for supply and demand analysis. The USDA will often "revise" figuers for the previous year or previous years to account for numbers that don't add up. I'm still wrestling with silver, trying to get as accurate a number as possible as to above ground world supply. Old Yeller, thanks for the suggestion but I can only sell covered options due to margin requirements which neither my wife, my broker nor myself want to worry about!Some day when I'm more knowledgeable and wealthier I may venture into selling naked futures or options, maybe? Rich Black Blade (08/23/01; 18:31:33MT - usagold.com msg#: 60169) Stocks Fall on Retail Slump, Jobs Data http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/010823/business_markets_stocks_dc_10.html Snippit:NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks closed slightly lower on Thursday after retailers like Kmart Corp. (NYSE:KM) posted poor financial results and helped reignite Wall Street's fears a slowdown in consumer spending will further weaken the economy. The latest economic data did little to brighten the outlook: The government said first-time jobless claims rose more than expected last week and the number of people who remained on jobless rolls climbed to 3.2 million -- the highest in nine years.The president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, Robert McTeer, added fuel to the fire after he said unemployment was likely to rise even further. ``After seven interest-rate cuts and probably the most aggressive Fed in a generation, there's no evidence things are getting better. In fact, there's evidence things are getting worse,'' said Michael Weiner, portfolio manager for Banc One Investment Advisors, which oversees $135 billion. "There are lots of things to be negative about.''Black Blade: Gold Insurance? Oh yeah - I think so! The unemployment numbers are going to get much worse. This Recession is going to be Very Ugly. Remember the 1970's and 1980's? Black Blade (08/23/01; 18:21:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 60168) RE: Cavan Man X-Cal Resources (XCL)is an "interesting" property with a lot of potential. I can't discuss it in detail due to proprietary info. They have the old AMAX Sleeper deposit north of Winnemucca, NV. There have been some very "interesting" assays from various overlooked areas. When POG starts flying, it could be something to investigate. Currently they are "fluffing" the heaps for gold. This was a mine with visible colloidal gold riddled through adularia. I have an excellent sample as a gift. Unfortunately AMAX gutted the deposit and did not fully exploit the whole potential. Cheers!- Black Blade Mr Gresham (08/23/01; 18:15:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 60167) Old Yeller: Hathaway http://www.tocquevillefunds.com/press/archives.php?id=22 Thanks for bringing that link to us. Definitely worth reading...Basically, he's saying: If it is government manipulation, then we've got a double wave going our way: reversal of market trend (CB fundamentals & public psychology) and the end of that manipulation, whenever it is no longer feasible/desirable for them to do so.Frustrating as it has been for us as POG-watchers, we've had this time now sitting in the classroom of "hard investment knocks" to mature as gold wealth-holders. And that will make a tremendous difference to us individually as we live the rest of our lives with whatever events unfold in our economic lives.Thanks to all who provide us this space to think these things through... site steward (08/23/01; 18:14:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 60166) Sierra Madre's inquiry about gold reserves ---"I'd like to hear from someone who is knowledgeable about the Euro reserves. That 15% is not, as I understand it, a percentage of M1. It is 15% of the RESERVES, and the reserves themselves are rather skimpy - my impression - of money in circulation."---Sierra,I'll share my view on this along with some numbers that may or may not be of any interest to you.You are right about the 15% gold figure applying to reserves, not to M1; however, that figure applies only to the initial composition of the European Central Bank's own international reserve assets -- received from the subscriptions of its member national central banks (originally 747 tonnes, now 767 tonnes with the inclusion of Greece).If we were to look at gold holdings as a percent of reserves within the entire Eurosystem of Central Banks (ECB plus 12 nations), we would see that the gold percentage of reserves represents nearly 32 percent of the EUR 402.1 billion total international reserve assets (gold=EUR128.3 billion (12,540 tonnes) and foreign paper=EUR273.8 billion).What is most important here, as I see it, is not the size of these reserves against M1, but rather, the fact that these reserves are quarterly marked to market, unlike the monetary gold holdings of the United States Treasury which are arrested at $42 per ounce. As the market value of gold climbs, the Eurosystem will gain a windfall on its gold reserves, offsetting any coincident decline in foreign paper reserves.Given the choice over the long term, it makes more sense for the Eurosystem (and other nations adopting this reserve structure) to foster an international economic environment that throws natural support behind gold values rather than continuing the "unnatural" system of support of their other reserve asset, U.S. Treasuries, that results in a primary benefit accruing to the United States.As a matter of fact, the end-of-June mark-to-market revaluation of reserves resulted in the gold value climbing by nearly 10.1 billion euros, eclipsing the 6.6 billion performance of the twice-as-large block of foreign currency. Now, bear in mind as we approach the end-of-September revaluation, the value of dollar holdings has actually DECLINED in euro terms since that time. If you can foresee this trend continuing, you can surely see how gold may become the primary reserve asset of the euro system. Seen in this light, why should any nation hold excessive foreign paper as a primary reserve asset when gold can fill the bill?Nevertheless, since you raised the subject of Eurosystem reserves versus M1, the value of M1 was nearly EUR 2,100 billion at the start of the year, and of that, EUR 346 billion is currently in the form of circulating banknotes of the legacy Euro-member currencies.I hope it's been helpful.R. Black Blade (08/23/01; 18:14:47MT - usagold.com msg#: 60165) US watchdog to look into 'pro forma' figures http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,5-2001292567,00.html Snippit:AMERICA'S accounting standards body is to investigate the controversial methods used by loss-making companies to make themselves look profitable, amid concern that there is a "lack of a common definition of financial performance". The inquiry comes amid criticism of the way Internet companies such as Amazon.com present their financial results to Wall Street. These results often feature so-called "pro forma" figures, which do not take into account a wide range of costs, such as tax and interest, that would make a company's financial performance look far less impressive. Economists argue that many US stocks are still overpriced because they are valued according to pro forma profits. Historically, investors have used net profits to value shares of companies, a far less flattering form of analysis.Black Blade: If GAAP were used instead of Pro Forma standards, then the NASDAQ would be closer to 600 and Amazon.com would just be a bitter memory. The market indices are floating on dreams and misinformation. The SEC needs to do some serious investigation (They won't). This Recession will get very ugly. Time to "Go for the Gold." Cavan Man (08/23/01; 18:10:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 60164) John Doe I track X-Cal Resources (XCL) which is perhaps the most outstanding property in North America. Due to the extended low POG, exploration by large mining companies has been curtailed and; high grading ensued. Reserves will need to be replaced by these same companies. What better place to look than at companies like XCL where the deposits are proven and not encumbered in any way. Black Blade (08/23/01; 18:05:11MT - usagold.com msg#: 60163) Forbes Body Count http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/30/layoffs.html The "Bone Pile" grows to 9 year highs. There are now over 3 million people collecting unemployment benefits! Where is all the out cry as these bodies keep piling up? The Talking Heads and Pied Pipers would have us think that this is the best economic boom in history, yet look under all the spin and slime and the real story is that we are slipping over the edge into the abyss with growing unemployment, lower corporate earnings, unprecedented growing money supply, higher energy costs, lower consumer confidence, negative savings, etc. This is going to be one hell of a Recession. - Black Blade Black Blade (08/23/01; 17:57:41MT - usagold.com msg#: 60162) RE: R. Powell - NatGas http://199.97.97.163/IMDS%PMANAT0%read%/home/content/users/imds/feeds/writersdesk/2001/08/22/eng-powerm-000001/eng-powerm-000001_191520_25_1731252949685 The article at the link tell smuch of the story. The AGA which I used to subscribe cannot seem to get accurate information about storage injection rates and they have to consistently revise estimates. So I dropped them like a hot potato. The problem with these high injection rates is that it does not match the production data. This excess NG seems to "magically" appear in the AGA data. Another point is that if the data is correct then an extreme large unprecedented increase in natural gas usage is occurring because there simply is not that much storage capacity. Recently there has been a report that marketers have been using storage facilities to manage the NG market and "manipulate" supply coming to market. We are currnetly in a slack period with moderate weather and NG prices should trend lower prior to the fall and winter season where NG use is much greater than summer and spring use. These are just a few reasons why the NG prices are temporarily lower. In the next three or four months it could sharply reverse as supply is drawn down. Cheers!- Black Blade John Doe (08/23/01; 17:14:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 60161) Canadian Golds Does anyone know why these Canadian juniors perked up the last couple months all at the same time?CA:GCU - Gold Canyon (or GCU.V)http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=CA%3AGCU&sid=0&o_symb=CA%3AGCU&freq=1&time=8CA:NRI - Novagold (or NRI.TO)http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=CA%3ANRI&sid=0&o_symb=CA%3ANRI&freq=1&time=8CA:WCE - Willow Creek (or WCE.V)http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=CA%3AWCE&sid=0&o_symb=CA%3AWCE&freq=1&time=8Not investment advice!!! goldquest (08/23/01; 16:21:43MT - usagold.com msg#: 60160) White Hills Thanks a Millions! Best of luck to you! goldquest BR549 (08/23/01; 15:42:52MT - usagold.com msg#: 60159) EURO's site steward (msg#: 60155)—Touche! I am not going to exchange my gold for any fiat unless I have to for survival. I am trying to understand what the point is about whether the EURO will reign supreme over the dollar or not, since they both are fiat.Kindly explain this FOA statement if goldbugs would not be better off in the future to exchange their gold for EURO's rather than greenbacks?: "The war between gold and the dollar has been over for a while now. The action, today, is between the dollar and the euro arena and this is what will break the price lock on gold. Leaving gold bugs with a lot of questions that ask why this: both systems will strive for a higher currency price for gold; one doing it because they have to; the other doing it because they want to! The casualty on this battlefield will be the world gold market as we know it. A market caught between how Western perception thinks gold's price should be "discovered" and at what price level trading in physical gold craters the entire paper structure. A structure of American based "paper gold". " Sierra-I would like to know what that 15% consists of myself. Sierra Madre (08/23/01; 15:32:08MT - usagold.com msg#: 60158) BR549...ABOUT EURO GOLD RESERVES... I'd like to hear from someone who is knowledgeable about the Euro reserves.That 15% is not, as I understand it, a percentage of M1.It is 15% of the RESERVES, and the reserves themselves are rather skimpy - my impression - of money in circulation.Will somebody tell me I'm wrong or not evaluating the importance of gold held by ECB and European Central Banks?Maybe I haven't done my homework on this.ThanksSierra Old Yeller (08/23/01; 15:31:20MT - usagold.com msg#: 60157) I've been waiting for this http://www.tocquevillefunds.com/press/archives.php?id=22 New John Hathaway commentary. Old Yeller (08/23/01; 15:26:15MT - usagold.com msg#: 60156) Rich If you think natural gas has bottomed'sell a put.This is what Leonard Kaplan has been doing with silver and gold with considerable success.I was selling puts for FN and PDG last year in the dark days,one of my few profitable trades over the past few years. site steward (08/23/01; 15:03:46MT - usagold.com msg#: 60155) Just a thought for BR549 You pondered whether people with gold would be "better off in the future to exchange their gold for EURO's rather than greenbacks?"I'd say, all things considered, it ultimately depends on what brand of currency is required for the vending machines in use at your country club.R. White Hills (08/23/01; 14:58:35MT - usagold.com msg#: 60154) goldquest, R Powell Your in!!! Good Luck, goldquest your numbers ok, The first 5 numbers and then the powerball are really seperate draws. White Hills BR549 (08/23/01; 14:27:14MT - usagold.com msg#: 60153) POG in EURO's FOA-The EURO has indeed risen against the dollar as was correctly forecast earlier. If the dollar is the world's standard currency, and today's POG is valued in manipulated greenbacks, is there a direct correlation between the future POG in EUROs without the Greenback entering into the equation? That if FRN's=xValue of Euro's and FRN's=yValue of GOLD, then xValue=yValue. Will there come a day when xValue of EURO's will = yValue of Gold? If the EURO is a non-manipulated 15% backed value-based currency, then will not goldbugs be better off in the future to exchange their gold for EURO's rather than greenbacks? BR549 (08/23/01; 13:45:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 60152) PB goldquest (msg#: 60149)-FWIW: You need five numbers + PB #.(need to replace your 1) R Powell (08/23/01; 13:37:55MT - usagold.com msg#: 60151) Correction/ BB Lets make that "a December call comes to mind." R Powell (08/23/01; 13:35:22MT - usagold.com msg#: 60150) White Hills/wolf/Black Blade May I try 21,22,23,24,25 with 26 for the powerball. Thanks. After Babe Ruth signed what was in his time a very good contract he was asked where he would spent his fortune. He replied that he would invest some in good whiskey, some chasing women and that he would probably waste the rest. Mr. wolf mentioned the 1467 signers of the petition (re to 60124). I believe there are about 1500 included on GATA's e-mail alert list. I know that the gold-eagle site has an ongoing count of visiters which probably helps them sell advertisement. There is a count here too but it's not promoted as M.K. doesn't clutter the place with ads, (thanks CPM). I've often wondered how many (goldbugs) we are as I have found very few of us during the course of my daily affairs. I guess we're special (or nuts). Black Blade, what's going on with the price of natural gas?? It's down again today. A December put comes to mind. What' driving this down? Temporary good weather with some industrial slowdown?? Any thoughts. Thanks Rich goldquest (08/23/01; 13:33:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 60149) White Hills My favorite numbers-1-11-9-27-37 PB-1 TIA! White Hills (08/23/01; 13:27:31MT - usagold.com msg#: 60148) BR549, Gandalf the White,ROSEBUD99 Your in!!! Good Luck, White Hills BR549 (08/23/01; 11:47:25MT - usagold.com msg#: 60147) Chocolate and Yellow GOLD Christopher (msg#: 60128)-I am located in Northern Florida Panhandle area but can pick up channel 12 in Montgomery. I do love the yellow stuff.auspec (msg#: 60130)-Threw my head back and got a great laugh out of your "Chocolate Gold" posting. Because of THE FUDGE SHOPPE, Dahlonega is one of the few towns in America that probably has more dentists per capita than attorneys. White Hills (msg#: 60133)-Brunswick is in proximity to where John Doe's wild pigs roam. It is a beautiful old town on the Eastern Coast of Georgia. The only true four star restaurant in the state is located at the Cloisters not far down the road. On Saturday night, old Atlanta money visits the hotel and ballroom dancing takes over from tennis and golf as the activity of the elite. I have hacked up their golf course--- forever leaving my mark there. Another installment of panning in Dahlonega on the way. Cavan Man (msg#: 60137)-I can't understand why BB's bone pile keep growing geometrically. Maybe everybody that is out of work in the U.S. can sneak across the border to Mexico in the middle of the night and get a job at one of our manufacturing facilities. BR549 (08/23/01; 11:25:40MT - usagold.com msg#: 60146) White Hills (msg#: 60132) Powerball:5-27-29-44-47PBall: 11Thanks,Will also donate 5% to GATA and a lot to the biggest doggone party USAGers have ever had.Thanks 300,000,000 Sir White HillsThis is great fun Gandalf the White (08/23/01; 10:34:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 60145) White Hills' request ! 5,13,21,29,44 and of course POWER BALL #37Thanks for the fun, Sir White Hills.Golden times are directly ahead.<;-) Gandalf the White (08/23/01; 10:29:41MT - usagold.com msg#: 60144) There goes the US$ again ! http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXY0&v=s&w=1&t=f&a=2 Get some more YELLOW while you can !<;-) Matt (08/23/01; 09:55:00MT - usagold.com msg#: 60143) Now its come to this--- $300,000,000 vs watching the gold market grow like a stalagmite--ha,ha,--hey, all I buy is one ticket and my chance of winning is infinitely better. ROSEBUD99 (08/23/01; 09:50:55MT - usagold.com msg#: 60142) RE: White Hills lotto Ok, my numbers are... 06-13-16-31-34 powerball 25 All winnings to be converted to physical gold from our host and 5% donation to GATA. Thanks !! Go Gold, Go Gata, Go Trail Guide, Go Usagold !! White Hills (08/23/01; 09:48:36MT - usagold.com msg#: 60141) Tommy P Your In!! Good luck , White Hills Cavan Man (08/23/01; 09:46:09MT - usagold.com msg#: 60140) Yesterday's FT Moscow may try to borrow $2bn next year"Russia may try to borrow up to $2bn on international capital markets next year, its first commercial foreign borrowing since the rouble crash of 1998, Alexei Kudrin, finance minister said yesterday. But Russia did not plan to borrow from the IMF he said."Swedish companies lose appetite for Krona"Swedish companies are increasingly using foreign currencies rather than the Krona because of the domestic currency's volatility and the advent of the Euro, a leading Swedish bank said yesterday." Tommy P (08/23/01; 09:41:18MT - usagold.com msg#: 60139) power ball 37 White Hills (08/23/01; 09:39:38MT - usagold.com msg#: 60138) TommyP Pick one more number for the Powerball. White Hills Cavan Man (08/23/01; 09:38:34MT - usagold.com msg#: 60137) Candy production moving offshore E.J. Brach announced today in Chicago they will be closing their plant and moving production of their candy products either to the Southern US or, offshore due to high labor and domestic sugar pricing.We can't seem to retain the candy manufacturing industry here in the US either? Tommy P (08/23/01; 09:34:48MT - usagold.com msg#: 60136) Powerball #'s My #'s are 10, 17, 25, 41, 42 White Hills (08/23/01; 09:31:45MT - usagold.com msg#: 60135) ROSEBUD99 JUST POST YOUR NUMBERS HERE ON THE FORUM, WILL MAKE A GOOD RECORD OF ALL NUMBERS. White Hills ROSEBUD99 (08/23/01; 09:19:10MT - usagold.com msg#: 60134) RE: White Hills lotto Yes it was fun, thanks. How do you want the new #'S ?? Posted here?? email? (whats your address if so) White Hills (08/23/01; 09:12:13MT - usagold.com msg#: 60133) BR549 I do know about the Gold in Ga., I will be there the first week in October in Brunswick, Ga. to vist my daughter. Would like to hear more. White Hills White Hills (08/23/01; 09:07:08MT - usagold.com msg#: 60132) Powerball auspec, Rosebud,B549,goldquest,econoclast,Gandalf the White,winning numbers were 2-28-30-36-39-powerball 10, JUST MISSED. jACKPOT WAS 193,000,000.OO OR SO, 500 machines were down in Missouri for three hours Wed. due to a cut telephone line. SPECIAL NOTE; THE POWERBALL TRAIl WILL CONTINUE!!! Saturday night the jackpot will be around 300,000,000.00. This time the DEAL IS, The first 20 Posters on this forum that send me their HANDPICKED NUMBERS,THATS 5 NUMBERS ( 1 to 49) and powerball number (1-42), before 10:00 Friday morning , Pacific standard time, will be in the drawing. Special consideration for those posters that had previous numbers. Because I am leaving Las Vegas for Arizona on Friday I will be unable to confirm all requested numbers as I will be away from my computer prospecting until Sunday morning when I will post the winning numbers, if any.This is a lot of fun for me I hope you all feel the same way. If we do win the prize would be split between the winning number holder and me with a consolation prize to be given to all participating, the amount to be decided by the winners. White Hills Saxulum^ (08/23/01; 08:34:12MT - usagold.com msg#: 60131) Coin Forgery. For the paranoid among us :-) http://www.krautkramer.com/ I found out that there is a non invasive testing tool on the market,using a.o. ultrasonics. ("made in Germay" -see Link above)Special probes are produced for particular types of application. For example to test gold bars and coins for forgery.Pfew… Can we finally stop drilling holes in those coins.PS: One source informed me that forgery appeared relatively most among older common Swiss and French coins. auspec (08/23/01; 07:34:25MT - usagold.com msg#: 60130) BR {Brayer Rabbit}---- Aint No Way........ ........you have ever been to Dahlonega, nice try! All this stuff about panning gold, antiques and good eatins, yet not even a casual mention of what Dahlonega is most famous for..................THE FUDGE SHOPPE in the square!Chocolate GOLD! P-nut butter fudge, maple syrup fudge. WOW!Can you say diabetic coma?Regards,auspec Gold Trail Update (08/23/01; 07:32:50MDT - Msg ID:60129) The Gold Trail Discussion has been Updated The Gold Trail Discussion has been updated. Click on the link to read the latest updates. Christopher (08/23/01; 06:55:57MT - usagold.com msg#: 60128) br549 I can tell, Sir, from one of your posts of yesterday on the powerball drawing that you were getting your news from channel 12. I thought that I was the only one from the Magnolia State that had an interest in the yellow metal.Glad to see that I am wrongChristopher CoBra(too) (08/23/01; 06:18:32MT - usagold.com msg#: 60127) Re: Caspian Oil Thanks for your responses BB and Waterboy. Both of you conclude that the development of the potential oil finds in the region are so far lagging earlier expectations and the quality seems poor (sour crude). It still seems big enough to squabble as to who does it does belong, as the following news, taken from ME Newswire suggest: TURKEY CONFRONTS IRAN OVER CASPIANANKARA [MENL] -- Turkey has sent a harsh warning to Iran against fomenting tension in the oil-rich Caspian Sea.Turkish officials said the government in Ankara has launched a series of military steps to stop Iran from pressing claims against Azerbaijan in the Caspian. The sea is shared by a handful of countries and is rich in oil and natural gas.In the latest step, Turkish Chief of Staff, Gen. Huseyin Kivrikoglu leaves Ankara on Thursday for a three-day visit to Baku. The Turkish military chief will be accompanied by a force of 10 F-16 warplanes.Kivrikoglu will meet Azeri Defense Minister Sefer Abiyev and President Haydar Aliyev. The Turkish general will also attend the first graduation ceremony of Azerbaijani War Academy.Baku is regarded as a close ally of Turkey and receives military aid from Ankara. Azerbaijan is also a partner in the Baku-Ceyhan energy pipeline being promoted by the United States. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cb2 Zenidea (08/23/01; 04:29:42MT - usagold.com msg#: 60126) In short A toast to beauty. Zenidea (08/23/01; 04:06:54MT - usagold.com msg#: 60125) Black Blade and all Yes mate I have to agree that the "reality" re the bone pileseems to have some substance to it. In Aussie now our PMis hinting to have them/us work until we are 70 !. As it stands now just 15 hrs work a week is enough to cook the books and thus doctor the unemployment figures and that does not include the single mums and dads. At this stage he has his grand work for the dole scheme that now as I understand it includes up to 39 year olds. But he did ( heresay ) get rid of poverty; now its called financially impaired.Sometimes I need employ people privately, I wonder what an add in the local paper negotiable grams of Au, PT, PD, AG per hour or liters of gas or moonshine would attract?.You know friends perhaps many of us here are at a point whereby we dont really give a tinkers about what we shall eat, drink or wherewithall be clothed or rather have foundfinancial contentment. i.e. "Who gives a toss what happens in the world financial world, Im covered and my children are with land, and the fruits thereof". But if there is ONE THING that irks me off to the max, it is people in power calling themselves and there mates Honourable whom ask the populas to swallow the dribble in this obvious democratic liberal/labour dualopoly. (Been around)Passing a glass of Hennessy Cognac from the freezer with ice to Megatron !; . Bottoms up and a Toast to GOLD EN TRUTH !.a toast to the laws of nature ( physics ) A toast to Quartz and a Toast to USAGOLD!. wolf (08/23/01; 03:44:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 60124) Petition : Give it your support Clarify US.Policy on Gold and Gold AccountingSignatures so far : ONLY 1467Goal: 10.000Deadline : ongoing .....http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/365824991 Old Yeller (08/23/01; 00:07:30MT - usagold.com msg#: 60123) Black Blade Given the long term fundamentals of gas supply and demand,it looks as if the short term obsessed market is giving out early Christmas presents.Reminds me of the $5 per barrel oil predicted by "The Economist" in mid 1998. ViewYesterday's Discussion.
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